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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

In your submission, you speak a lot about what your members feel. You have to give a balanced view of the overall picture, but are some of your members particularly positive or particularly concerned about the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Should the reform have been done before now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Professor Seaton, do you want to come in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I will bring in Ms Topley on the opening question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you, both, very much. You have kicked off our evidence session on the bill. We will have further sessions today and in the future, which I am sure you will be keenly interested in. Thank you also for what you submitted in advance of your answers today.

I suspend the meeting for about 15 minutes.

10:17 Meeting suspended.  

10:30 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes. Sorry—Mr Yeates.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Despite knowing all that and knowing the Funding Council’s record in achieving that, people are still worried that, when you take on the proposed extra responsibility, there will not be the same focus on apprenticeships. That is what I am trying to get at. Even with your past record, people are still concerned about that issue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

In response to another question from Pam Duncan-Glancy, you said that you had read the reports that there were concerns that there would not be a focus on apprenticeships if the transfer to the Funding Council goes ahead, but that that will not be the case. Given that you know that there are concerns about that, although we take you at your word, we need more than that. What is your evidence that there will not be a lack of focus on apprenticeships in future, given that you know that that is a concern of a number of people outwith the committee?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You are trying to explain to me why, when you have all the details in May, the reports cannot be published until September, and why there is not a risk—I do not put it any stronger than “a risk”—that it will happen again in future years.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Boyle, you have been very clear to the committee that the only reason that a report that is important for ministers and crucial for the Parliament and the committee, which scrutinises this area of policy in Scotland, has been delayed for nine months because two colleges had not signed off their accounts. Do you not think that, in future, colleges that do not sign off their accounts would see that as a means to delay the report further, given that that is the only reason that you are giving us for a nine-month delay?