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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay. I call Maggie Chapman.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

You informed the Scottish Government well ahead of Friday that that money was going back into its coffers, and then it told you to put it in a pot that the University of Dundee can apply for. It is quite lucky that that money became available and that the sum roughly equates to—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay. Is that when the Scottish Government would have known about it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Why, when my office contacted the university yesterday, were we told that they were not allowed to share it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

This is my final point. It is important to get clarification. Last week, we heard a lot in the chamber from Scottish Government ministers—up to and including the First Minister—that the job losses that were announced by the University of Dundee were unacceptable. We have heard that again today. They said that they would look to see what could be done. However, when they offered that money—up to £25 million—they knew that it would not prevent any of the job losses in the draft recovery plan, because those losses were in there along with the request for £22 million.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

So, you knew before the audit committee. Ms Bey, who was on the audit committee, thought that everything was fine because student numbers were green, but, as the deputy principal at the time, you had concerns. The audit committee did not. Explain that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

What did you do to make sure that others on the court were aware of your concerns? Nothing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you have access to the audit committee papers before you became interim principal?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

You were deputy principal. You were raising concerns, and papers that you had access to were still telling the audit committee of the court of the university that everything was fine when you knew that it was not.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

It is not about your recollection. Your recollection is clear that you knew about this and were asking about it at the same time that the audit committee and the court got the green light to say that there were no issues.