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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

We move to John Mason.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Does it matter whether there is the physical barrier of the locked door or a person, or a verbal instruction not to move?

12:15  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Is this bill not the opportunity to move away from it? I understand restraint as a final tool to stop a child from injuring themselves or others, but seclusion is not really the same, if you are saying that it breaches that child’s human rights.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Ross Greer?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Ultimately, you believe that there should be no circumstances in which restraint and seclusion would be available. The vast majority of respondents say that they should be available as a last resort. Are you saying that they should be excluded completely?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Ms Martin, I come to you. I want to talk particularly about the figures that Ms Sanger gave during her opening remarks that, in the month since the schools went back, 81 families have contacted them with concerns. Is that the type of number that the National Autistic Society is hearing from? Is that the level of the problem that we in Scotland are facing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

On that point, do you think that the terminology should be changed if the bill progresses?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you. That sets us up very well for the remainder of our evidence session and the further evidence that we will take.

Dr Webster, in your response to the call for views, you say:

“Enable’s own Scottish Council—which sets our campaign priorities—identified ending abusive restraint and seclusion as a top priority in recent years. The overwhelming weight of evidence from our members and others shows that without legislation, children’s rights will continue to be breached.”

You support the bill. Why has it taken us so long to get to this stage, if you and your members and campaigners have been calling for this for many years?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you all for your evidence today and your answers to our questions. It has been a very helpful start to our stage 1 consideration of this non-Government bill from Daniel Johnson.

I suspend the meeting briefly.

10:52 Meeting suspended.  

11:02 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

No—your evidence says that you want a clear definition, but you also quite clearly state that you

“do not take a position on the preferred definition of restraint and seclusion”.

I thought that you would. There might be some disagreement about the definition, and we can have that debate, but surely you should be able to offer your view, and the commissioner’s office’s view, on a clear definition.