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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Welcome back. Thank you all for your patience. I welcome our second panel of witnesses, who are from the Scottish Funding Council: Francesca Osowska, the chief executive; Richard Maconachie, the director of finance; and Jacqui Brasted, the interim director of access, learning and outcomes. Thank you for joining us today. I reiterate my apologies that you have had to wait so long to give your evidence.

I know that you would like to give an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay—thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Professor O’Neill, you said that you had been asking questions. Was it in October that you saw that information in the audit paper, or did you have indications earlier than October?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you not say to people on the court, “Look, I’m asking these questions of the principal. Make sure that this is a big red marker in your audit papers”? You had Ms Bey thinking that everything was fine when you were asking questions about this.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Ms Bey has been very clear with Mr FitzPatrick—she was able to give him the exact date—but you are telling us that you were raising questions before that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Did you have access to them when you were in your previous role at the university?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Had you not read them?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

You were deputy principal.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

No, you would not, because unless Ms Bey is giving us incorrect information or you are giving us incorrect information, we have all the details. What we now know is that the interim principal of the University of Dundee, who at the time was the deputy principal of the University of Dundee, was raising concerns about student numbers at the exact same time that the court and the audit committee of the court of the University of Dundee were being told that the situation was green, that there were no worries and that they could carry on as normal.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

I understand the constraints—