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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Douglas Ross

Thank you. We go to Professor Mannion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Douglas Ross

I noticed Professor Mannion nodding in agreement there—it is worth just getting that on the record as well.

If it is okay, we will move on to other questions, because we have already used up a chunk of time with those introductory comments. If there is anything that we have not covered, the witnesses can come back in at the end.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Douglas Ross

I will bring in George Adam first with a supplementary.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Douglas Ross

Thank you very much. You have been our first panel of witnesses for our stage 1 deliberations on the bill, so your evidence has been very helpful in kicking off our consideration of it. I am grateful to you for your time, your submissions to the committee and the answers that you have given. You have given us a lot to think about and to take forward.

At this point, we will move into private session.

11:31 Meeting continued in private until 11:58.  

 

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Douglas Ross

Yes, perfectly.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Douglas Ross

You made a point about the length of such an experience. In your written evidence, you say that

“A long weekend (Friday to Monday) might be enough to establish the affective learning elements”,

but that a longer period of five days and four nights can have the biggest impact and involve the greatest change.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Douglas Ross

John, did you want to ask about the ages?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Douglas Ross

We are running a bit short of time, so, if Miles Briggs has finished his questions, we will move on to questions from Ross Greer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Douglas Ross

Good morning and welcome to the 28th meeting in 2024 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

We have apologies from Stephanie Callaghan, so we welcome back Jackie Dunbar.

The first item on our agenda is an evidence session on the Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1. This is a member’s bill that was introduced by Liz Smith MSP, who is in the public gallery.

I begin by welcoming our witnesses. Professor Chris Loynes is emeritus professor in human nature relations in the institute of science and environment, centre for national parks and protected areas and outdoor studies at the University of Cumbria. Professor Greg Mannion is a senior lecturer in education at the University of Stirling and joins us remotely. Dr Roger Scrutton is an honorary research fellow in outdoor education at the University of Edinburgh. I welcome you all to the committee.

There is a lot that we want to question you on. Professor Mannion, if you could indicate that you want to come in by raising your hand, I will try to make sure that that catches my eye on the screen.

I begin with a general opening question. I should say that, as we have a lot to get through, if you hear evidence that is the same as your own, you can simply say that you agree and we can move on.

I read Professor Loynes’s written submission to the committee—in particular about his research into the significant improvements in maths and literacy scores and exam results among pupils who have been on outdoor residential courses.

Could each of you outline why you think that outdoor education is an important element and why the bill should be supported? I think that all the witnesses agree that there is a need for the bill, albeit that some have caveats and conditions. However, in relation to the general principle, what are the witnesses’ views on the bill and the need for outdoor residential education?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 6 November 2024

Douglas Ross

Dr Scrutton wants to come back in.