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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Ms Manson, do you have anything to add? Are you concerned about not having the same numbers, or increased numbers, of apprenticeships going forward?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay. Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Douglas Ross

On this issue, I call Joe FitzPatrick.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay. On behalf of the committee, I thank you all very much for your time this morning and this afternoon, and for the evidence you have provided. I will continue with the committee’s work while you pack up, so that we can keep going. Thank you very much for that session.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The second SSI is the Education (Fees and Student Support) (Miscellaneous Amendment and Revocation) (Scotland) Regulations 2025. The instrument is being considered under the negative procedure. Do members have any comments to make about the instrument?

As members have no comments, is the committee agreed that it does not wish to make any recommendations to the Parliament in relation to the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Are you content with the service that is provided through those independent providers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Douglas Ross

It does not sound as though we have very happy witnesses in front of us. We will delve more into the issues as we go along but, first, I want to look at how we got here. In that regard, I particularly want to hear from Ms Jackson and Mr Lewis, because of the views expressed in their submissions and their responses to my question.

I do not want to paraphrase you, Mr Lewis, but it sounds as though you are deeply disappointed by the lack of engagement with the Scottish Government, given that this is a change that will affect your members and staff working for those organisations. Is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I might just go to Jackie Dunbar, who has some questions, and then we will come back to you, Mr Davenport.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you all for your evidence, the time that you have spent with the committee and the answers that you have given to our questions. We have another panel after you, and we have the minister next week. Then we will conclude our consideration with a report on stage 1 of the bill. Thank you for your input.

I suspend the meeting for 15 minutes.

10:55 Meeting suspended.  

11:10 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Welcome back. We will now hear evidence from our second panel on the Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome Vikki Manson, deputy head of policy in Scotland for the Federation of Small Businesses; Paul Campbell, general manager at Scottish Water and the Scottish Apprenticeship Advisory Board employer engagement group chair, representing SAAB; and Carolyn Currie, chief executive of Women’s Enterprise Scotland. Thank you all for joining us today.

I will start with the question that I have asked consistently throughout our evidence taking. What problem exists that the bill seeks to address, and is the bill the answer? Vikki Manson, we will start with you.