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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Douglas Ross

George Adam has a brief supplementary.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Douglas Ross

I call Evelyn Tweed.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Douglas Ross

But you are not so far apart from each other that you are saying that “These figures are definitely wrong and ours are right”, or vice versa. You are in the same ballpark.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Douglas Ross

I have some questions about finance, but, following your answer to Evelyn Tweed, I note that, in the conclusion of your memorandum on the bill, you say in paragraph 13 that

“The Scottish Government is committed to improving outdoor learning provision in Scotland”.

What price tag have you put on your improvements to outdoor education or learning in Scotland?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Douglas Ross

But in your response to the bill, you make it very clear at the top of your conclusion that you as a Government are

“committed to improving outdoor learning provision in Scotland”.

Are you saying that that will be cost neutral, or are you saying that there will be a cost, but you do not have it in front of you? What is the range of costs? Is it similar to what the member in charge has talked about? Are the costs a lot less, or are they potentially more?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Douglas Ross

However, it might be higher. You have not provided anything to the committee to suggest that the cost will be very low. To make such improvements, you as a Government might have to take on board some—or, indeed, the whole—of Ms Smith’s bill. That might be part of it, but there will be a cost. If you, as a Government, want to improve things, money will have to be attached to that in what we all accept are tight financial circumstances—just to follow on again from your response to Evelyn Tweed. Money will be spent in this area by the Government; whether it be on Liz Smith’s bill, your proposals or otherwise, you are committed to spending more on this matter.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Douglas Ross

When the member in charge was before the Finance and Public Administration Committee last week for its consideration of the bill’s financial memorandum, there was a discussion about third sector funding and potential private investment. In response to earlier questions, you alluded to a discussion that you had had with the member on that. What is your response to her proposals? Moreover, how much of this has been discussed wider within Government? Obviously, you will be the minister in charge if the bill goes any further, but that form of additional funding, which does not rely solely on the Government, will be of interest to the finance secretary, the economy secretary and a number of other cabinet secretaries. How much discussion has there been in Government of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Douglas Ross

If the concern is about the significant cost of the bill—although I do not believe that it is significant, given what it would do—and that the top-line figure is too high, the capital funding, which Mr Mason has raised with witnesses, could be a big chunk that is taken away. The Government could fund the statutory obligations in the bill and allow the capital to be funded by other means, through the private sector, the third sector and so on. The two approaches could work in tandem.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Douglas Ross

No—it is playgrounds.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 27 November 2024

Douglas Ross

My deputy convener is asking what my question has to do with the bill. I asked it only because you put the commitment in your evidence in relation to the bill, which is why I think that it is legitimate to ask about it.

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