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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 21 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I will continue on the topic of the tertiary education bill. You will have heard this morning that there is some concern across the committee about the SFC’s ability to perform its current functions in relation to foreseeing problems in the university and colleges sector. Witnesses who participated in the committee’s scrutiny of the bill and some committee members are therefore worried about the SFC’s capacity going forward, given the added responsibilities. What is your response to those concerns?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I thank you all for your time and your evidence. I know that we rattled through the session, but the committee has covered all the points that we needed to cover, and I appreciate your answers being brief enough to ensure that I could get all members in.

The committee will now move into private session to consider our final agenda item.

13:30 Meeting continued in private until 13:44.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

But this bill legitimises it. I think that we have just agreed that.

The definition of seclusion in this bill is the condition that a child must not be able to leave the place that they have been isolated in. On the one hand, you are telling us to, “Pass this bill”. However, on the other hand, you are telling us that the seclusion element of it breaches human rights; that that is currently happening, and would still happen after this bill passes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

My final point—

Mr Higgins, do you want to come back on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I am sure that it will in our further panels, and with both the cabinet secretary and the member in charge.

My final question is on something that Ben Higgins touched on. You think that the incident should be reported to the parents on the same day—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I am seeing nods of agreement from other witnesses.

I thank you for your time and your evidence. That concludes our consideration of the bill and the public part of our proceedings. The committee will now move into private session to consider its final agenda item.

12:23 Meeting continued in private until 12:36.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I was going to, but if you want to come in on it, please do.

10:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I was going to ask about that point, Ms Martin. Would that not mean there could be a circumstance where an incident happens on the last day of term before the summer holidays and a family is waiting up to two months before they are informed, because the next school day is not until the children go back to school in August?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I have one final question before I pass over to Ross Greer, who will ask the next questions.

I am a parent of two boys—one in primary 2 and one in nursery. When they trip and fall, we immediately get a phone call, or we get a note when we pick them up, and we have a word with the nursery teacher or the classroom teacher.

I cannot get my head around the idea that for very minimal distress or injury—sometimes we can barely see it—we are informed fully, yet with restraint and seclusion, that is not happening. How can it be, if schools already know that they have to inform parents of the most minor incidents, that they are not doing it for your children?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Restraint and Seclusion in Schools (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Douglas Ross

I just do not understand how it is happening. If I am told about the most minor incident with my sons, when they barely noticed what happened, I do not understand how you cannot be told about something as severe as restraining a child. We heard that Calum came home with blue lips and that his mum had to take him straight to hospital. How could an incident that severe not trigger a teacher or an education professional informing the parent, whereas the vast majority of parents are told of the most minor incidents?