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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

I thank you for your time today, and I thank the officials from the non-Government bills unit and Parliament. We have heard sincere cross-party good wishes offered to you, Ms Smith, for the work that you have done and will continue to do in this area. This has been the final session of our consideration before we construct our stage 1 report, and it has been extremely helpful.

That concludes the public part of our proceedings. I suspend the meeting to allow our witnesses to leave and the committee will move into private session.

10:52 Meeting continued in private until 12:01.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Thank you for your opening statement, which covered a lot of areas. Members will want to delve into those in more depth.

I think that you attended and observed all the committee’s public evidence sessions on the bill. What did you make of the evidence that we received? Is there anything that you would like to highlight or pick up on from the evidence that you heard?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

The curriculum in Scotland is largely non-statutory. Why do you believe that the Parliament should put your proposals into legislation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Thank you. Willie Rennie will ask the next question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

You might not have anything to add, Mr Stewart, but given your experience with other non-Government bills, is the approach that is being taken by the Government consistent, or is it different with this one?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

I bring in Miles Briggs to continue on finance and funding.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

You mentioned the committee visit. Mr Mason, Mr Briggs and I were at the Broomlee outdoor education centre on Monday. We watched a presentation to begin with, and we watched a video of a teacher who has taken pupils to outdoor education centres for many years. He said that the thing that really makes them is the staff. Will you comment on the staff that you have met at outdoor education centres? In everything that I have seen, and in some of the evidence that we have taken from witnesses, the staff’s professionalism, dedication and enthusiasm for outdoor education has really shone through.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Finally, before we go to Jackie Dunbar, I have a question on finance. When the cost of a bill reaches a certain threshold, a financial resolution is required. If the Government introduces the legislation, it lodges that resolution. As a member with a non-Government bill, you cannot lodge that—it has to be lodged on your behalf by the Government.

You heard the questions that were put to the minister on that issue. What was your reaction to the minister’s response that, on the one hand, the Government was neutral on the bill, but that, on the other, it was not looking at lodging a financial resolution?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

Are we seeing the same can-do approach from the Government? I thought that the solicitor from the Government pushed back on it quite a bit when they gave evidence. They said that there were no examples of such funding being used to support Government legislation in the past. I think that their concern would be about money being available in years X, Y and Z and then stopping. How do you respond to those comments?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Schools (Residential Outdoor Education) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 December 2024

Douglas Ross

I have one final point. Mr Mason raised the issue of the bill potentially benefiting better-off parents who currently pay for such activities if the provision is funded by the Government. The policy memorandum says:

“The Member considers that any system created ought to be based on substantial funding from the Scottish Government, but accepts that flexibility could potentially be retained to use different funding streams such as school fundraising activities and also to enable parents or carers, who can afford to, to make a part contribution towards the costs.”

Can you explain that a bit more with regard to the flexibility that you are speaking about and how that would work in practice?