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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 264 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Is it about your not being seen during the division on amendment 261?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, the chat is monitored, but as we are doing the divisions by hand and not electronically, we have to record not just the numbers but how each person votes. Therefore, the clerking team is making sure that the right votes are allocated to the respective voting members on the committee. Everyone has a role.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

That concludes this part of our consideration of the bill at stage 2. I thank the cabinet secretary and her supporting officials for their attendance.

I will suspend briefly to allow the cabinet secretary and her officials to leave, then the committee will consider our next agenda item in private. After that, I will suspend the meeting until 6.15 pm. At that point, the committee will reconvene in public to continue its consideration of the Education (Scotland) Bill at stage 2.

12:37 Meeting continued in private.  

12:55 Meeting suspended.  

18:15 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Amendment 280, in the name of Ross Greer, is grouped with amendments 282, 35 and 71.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 3, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 253 disagreed to.

Section 9, as amended, agreed to.

After section 9

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I call amendment 69, in the name of the cabinet secretary, already debated with amendment 255. I remind members that, if amendment 69 is agreed to, I cannot call amendments 262 and 263, due to pre-emptions.

Amendment 69 not moved.

Amendments 262 and 263 not moved.

Amendment 264 moved—[Pam Duncan-Glancy].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I am grateful to Ross Greer for making those points and for his support of the points that I have made. That crystallises my view that something is required in the bill. I am interested to hear the cabinet secretary’s response and the further discussions that we will have.

A point that I put to the former chief executive of the SQA is that, if the body was so sure of its internal investigation, it would have had no fear or concern about having an independent review. If the SQA is happy with its procedures and with everything that it is doing and believes that it is effective and functioning properly, it should not be concerned about an independent regulator being put in place, because such a regulator would have nothing to investigate if everything is fine. I hope that that is a helpful discussion for us to have.

There is a deficiency in this area in the current set-up, which I would not like to see being replicated in the new body. With the bill, we have a unique and fairly rare—I realise that something cannot be both unique and fairly rare—opportunity to change the education structures in Scotland. In considering the creation of the new qualifications Scotland body, we have an ideal opportunity to debate the issue, which is what I am seeking to do with the amendments in my name.

I move amendment 297.

19:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I could have got a knighthood if it had gone to a casting vote.

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 8, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 74 disagreed to.

Section 26 agreed to.

Schedule 2—The Office of His Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Education in Scotland