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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I spoke to my party’s SPCB representative this afternoon about that. I accept the points that have been made. However, I am clear that I want the role to be made through the corporate body, because I want that role to be completely independent from Scottish Government ministers and from the new qualifications Scotland.

When the amendments were first drafted by the legislation team, the role was to be an appointment by the Scottish ministers rather than the corporate body. I thought that, because of the concerns that the cabinet secretary has raised about the current operational independence of the SQA from Scottish Government ministers, it would be better to have a clean break and a truly independent individual and body. The way to facilitate that is through the corporate body—the parliamentary corporation.

I do not want to go over the ground of the discussions that we have had about higher history. However, it is worth remembering some of the comments that were made at the time. In response to a question that I raised in the chamber on the issue, the cabinet secretary said that she

“acknowledged the various concerns that have been raised by history teachers in the SATH survey responses and the need to rebuild trust and confidence.”—[Official Report, 9 January 2025; c 43.]

Some members of the committee believe that rebuilding trust and confidence will be done by the new individuals at the top of the SQA. I still believe that those people have to prove themselves in those roles. They have been in them for only a short period. I have not had the same positive experience as other members have had of meeting with the SQA—only today, my meeting with the SQA chief executive, chair and chief examiner has been cancelled for the third time. That will be rearranged, but it is proving difficult to have those discussions.

There is no doubt that teachers were deeply worried about the outcome of the SQA inquiry—they were worried about the findings and about the way in which the inquiry was established and carried out. There is no proof of this, but I believe that, had similar or identical results been produced by an independent individual, there would have been more acceptance of them. People still might not have been happy with the conclusions and I would still have been challenging some of them, but I think that a lot of the issues were caused by the lack of an independent individual looking at the situation, taking evidence and determining the conclusion.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Abstentions

Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Amendment 290, in the name of Stephen Kerr, is grouped with amendments 293, 294 and 296.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Ms Haughey, I can take you now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 261 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I call amendment 68, in the name of Ross Greer, already debated with amendment 255. I remind members that, if amendment 68 is agreed to, I cannot call amendments 69 and 262 to 265, due to pre-emptions.

Amendment 68 not moved.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 5, Against 5, Abstentions 0.

As the outcome of the division is tied, I will use my casting vote as convener in order for the committee to reach a decision. I vote in favour of amendment 264.

Amendment 264 agreed to.

Amendments 265 to 267 not moved.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Ms Haughey, do you wish to come in at this point during the division? We will have to get Ms Haughey’s microphone working, but I will say that if it is about not being taken earlier, I am happy to hear about that at the end, now that we have you, or do you wish to come in on the current set of divisions?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Pam Duncan-Glancy to wind up and to say whether she wishes to press or withdraw amendment 255.