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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

You were deputy principal.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

No, you would not, because unless Ms Bey is giving us incorrect information or you are giving us incorrect information, we have all the details. What we now know is that the interim principal of the University of Dundee, who at the time was the deputy principal of the University of Dundee, was raising concerns about student numbers at the exact same time that the court and the audit committee of the court of the University of Dundee were being told that the situation was green, that there were no worries and that they could carry on as normal.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

I understand the constraints—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, but if we are talking about a month between the chair being appointed and the inquiry being able to form, that is another delay that will concern this committee and members across Parliament. I hope that the message is quite clear that we need a robust inquiry to be set up and taking evidence as quickly as possible. From my mailbox—indeed, from what I have received during the meeting—it is clear that people want to speak to the inquiry, have their opinions heard and ensure that lessons learned from it, and then Parliament must have opportunity to look at it, too.

I see that I am getting nods.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

No, I know that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

What are the next stages? The chair is appointed today—or her appointment is made public—and then the wider team is commissioned. What is the timeframe for that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you all for your time today. Moreover, thank you for your patience before you came to the table as witnesses, and for the further information that you will pass on.

We now move into private session.

13:35 Meeting continued in private until 13:45.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

When the Scottish Government announced the top-up funding to take the total to £25 million, it was already in receipt of the recovery plan, which had a request from the University of Dundee for £22 million. That included the loss of 632 full-time equivalent jobs. The Scottish Government knew two things at that point—it knew many things, but there are two main points. It knew that it was giving you more money than had been requested by the university. It also knew that, even if the university got all the money that it wanted, there would still be 632 full-time equivalent jobs lost at the University of Dundee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Okay—I just wanted to get that on the record.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

What involvement will there be of university staff, unions, students and so on, as well as—to touch on comments that we heard from the previous witnesses—former members of staff? What powers will the investigation have to call witnesses and compel them to give evidence?