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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I absolutely believe that we need to add a body, because otherwise we will have the status quo, which, despite the changes that might be happening and will continue to take place, has lost the trust of teachers and other professionals in the education sector in Scotland. In the debate on amendment 232, the cabinet secretary said that there is an inherent lack of trust. We all know that—the cabinet secretary accepts it and every single member of the committee, and probably of the Parliament, accepts it. Given that inherent lack of trust, having an independent body to look at such issues would resolve some of those points.

An independent regulator might have come to exactly the same conclusions as the SQA’s inquiry did last year, but it is more likely that those conclusions would have been accepted if they had come from an independent body rather than the SQA being seen to mark its own homework.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I am not calling you to wind up quite yet. I will bring the cabinet secretary back in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 271 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 3, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 130 disagreed to.

Amendment 275 moved—[Pam Duncan-Glancy].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

 

For

Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)

 

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The result of the division is: For 4, Against 6, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 276 disagreed to.

Amendment 277 not moved.

Amendment 278 moved—[Pam Duncan-Glancy].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Haughey, Claire (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 17 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Amendment 77, in the name of Ross Greer, is grouped with amendments 78, 311, 314, 324, 325, 172, 326, 327, 329, 330, 91, 335, 336, 343 and 352.

I point out that amendment 311 is pre-empted by amendment 158; amendment 314 is pre-empted by amendment 162; and amendment 336 is pre-empted by amendment 179. Amendments 158, 162 and 336 were previously debated in the group entitled “Independence of the Chief Inspector”.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I will wind up the debate by thanking the cabinet secretary and other members for their contributions. It has been a helpful and useful debate. There is general acceptance that there is an issue here. How we solve that issue is something that we can discuss on a cross-party basis. I agree that we should not tackle the issue in isolation.

I take on board the points that were made by Jackie Dunbar and the cabinet secretary, but we can only deal with what is in front of us—namely, the bill that we are seeking to amend.

I remember the cabinet secretary’s final words to me in our call on Monday. She said that she was going to look at the art of the possible with regard to this matter and, I hope, others. With a view to our looking at the art of the possible and having further discussions about that, I am not minded to press amendment 297.

Amendment 297, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendments 298 to 301 not moved.