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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Douglas Ross
We will get into a number of those elements through our questions.
I come to Mr Forde. If there are elements of what Mr Hogg said that you agree with, you do not need to repeat them. Which areas of the bill do you think are good, and which do you think that the committee and the Parliament should focus on with a view to improving?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Douglas Ross
I welcome our second panel of witnesses: Lynne O'Brien, chief officer for children and families at Aberlour; Duncan Dunlop; Natalie Williams, head of policy and campaigns at the Fostering Network; and Jo Derrick, chief executive officer of the Scottish Throughcare and Aftercare Forum. I thank them all for their time today and for their submissions.
I began with a very open question to the first panel and it took half an hour to get through that, so I will try to be a bit tighter with my questions. Although there are positives in your submissions, I am really keen to hear about where you think the bill needs to be improved and developed and about what is missing, and I know that other members will also come to that. If you want to talk about the positives, please do so, but the committee really has to scrutinise where the bill can be improved.
Ms Derrick, I will start with you. Are there any areas where the bill could be improved that you would like to focus on?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Douglas Ross
Before I turn to Mr Dunlop, I can say that it is useful to get that overview and that other committee members will delve further into those issues.
We heard from some of last week’s witnesses that they felt that there had been lack of engagement in advance of the bill being published, although there was more engagement after that. Do you have similar concerns? Could some of those issues have been addressed if there had been improved engagement between Scottish Government ministers or civil servants and all of you, or have you been satisfied with the engagement that you have had on the bill?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Douglas Ross
All the political parties have signed up to the Promise and are supportive of it. You mention in your evidence that it is 3,256 days since Nicola Sturgeon made that commitment and got cross-party support. Why do you feel that we are at the stage that we are at now, and that the bill that has been produced by the Scottish Government lacks any of the ambition that you would expect? There is political will, and that is surely the biggest thing that the Government needs behind it. It has the political will and consensus across the Parliament. Why has it not gone further through the bill?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Douglas Ross
Hearing you talk about love suggests that there is a different side to you that I have not seen before, Mr Adam. [Laughter.]
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Douglas Ross
I accept that. That is a legal question, which we will definitely put to the minister.
The minister has already taken a decision to frame the bill in such a way that there are elements that are outwith the UNCRC, because it refers back to the 1995 act. If that is not rectified, would that be a significant enough concern for you to say, “We shouldn’t support this bill”?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Douglas Ross
We move to questions from Ross Greer.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Douglas Ross
Thank you all very much. That was a good overview, and a number of the points that you have highlighted will be picked up by other members. However, I have to say that we have taken 30 minutes for one question. It was my bad by asking a very open question, but we will not be able to repeat that with every question. I am sure that Pam Duncan-Glancy will be more direct with her questions and that you will be more direct with your answers.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Douglas Ross
That concludes our evidence session with our first witnesses today. I thank you all for your time, your answers and your contributions. It is much appreciated.
Before we move to our next panel of witnesses, I will suspend the meeting for 10 minutes.
11:12 Meeting suspended.Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 17 September 2025
Douglas Ross
Mr Dunlop, I have deliberately left you until last. You are not a big fan of the bill. The other witnesses have a number of positive points to make, with a few areas where they would like to see improvement. I read over your four-page submission and saw there was very little that you liked about the bill. Is that a fair assumption?