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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I will say it again. You have neither agreed nor disagreed with the £30 million figure that SDS has suggested will be the transition cost, but surely you have not come to the committee that is scrutinising the bill to say that the Scottish Funding Council does not know what the cost of taking on the proposed extra responsibilities will be.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

If it were not for that moratorium, would the numbers be higher?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Good evening, and welcome back. Agenda item 3 is the continuation of our stage 2 consideration of the Education (Scotland) Bill. I welcome back the cabinet secretary, her supporting officials and members.

Section 27—Deputy Chief Inspector of Education in Scotland

Amendments 145 and 146 not moved.

Section 27 agreed to.

Section 28—His Majesty’s Inspectors of Education in Scotland

Amendments 79, 80, 147, 148, 81, 149, 150, 82, 151, 152 and 83 not moved.

Section 28 agreed to.

Section 29—Assistance with inspections

Amendments 153 and 154 not moved.

Section 29 agreed to.

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

So are you saying that SDS plucked that figure out of the air? Can it not know?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Is it the case that no one prepared you for this session by saying—given that you were to be on a panel with SDS—“You might hear that SDS believes that the cost will be £30 million. Here’s how you should respond to that”?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, but that is not a secret—that has not been revealed by Mr Yeates only today. Did the SFC did not scrutinise that figure?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I am not particularly reassured that, if there were a repeat of what we have seen at Dundee university and there were a rallying call for funding to save an institution from going under, and if the SFC had not spent all of its money on apprenticeships, that money would not then go towards a struggling institution, as it did recently.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You said that you did not want to get into that. Why would you not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You are saying that there will never be any—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, you can, because that is what all other witnesses do. For example, when we have the Scottish Government in front of us, it will give us ballpark low and high figures. That is then scrutinised by the Finance and Public Administration Committee, which some members of this committee are on. That is exactly what witnesses do, bill after bill, time after time.

We have to make progress. Also in response to Willie Rennie, you said that you did not accept that there could be pressures between funding for university and colleges and funding for apprenticeships. It is only a few months since the Funding Council found an additional £10 million for the University of Dundee. There was a Government announcement in the chamber that there would be £15 million and that went up to £25 million, £22 million of which went to Dundee university. That was its request. The SFC was able to find £10 million for that. How can you guarantee that there will not be similar requests in the future that will mean that the SFC has to find sums of money, and that those sums of money will not come from apprenticeships?