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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

You said in your opening statement that although it normally would be for universities to do a lessons learned report, the SFC decided to intervene because of the gravity of the situation. Did you expect that we would be sat here, in mid-March, with no investigation started, or did you expect that it should have been under way by now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

What timescale has been given to Ms Gillies to complete that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Will it strengthen in any way what Pamela Gillies will have to do if there is specific mention of that in the terms of reference?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you for that opening statement. I am sure that all members of the committee welcome your comments about the staff and the uncertainty at Dundee university. I hope that, in this session, we will get a bit more clarity.

It is useful to hear that the chair of the independent inquiry has been appointed. Can you tell us a little bit more about the inquiry? A lot has been made of the fact that the inquiry will be co-sponsored, and you have mentioned that again today. Where does the responsibility lie? The inquiry must be independent, but obviously you are co-sponsoring it—is “co-sponsoring” the right word? Is that how you describe it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Should that have been done before now? Where does the guilt lie? Is there a responsibility on the SFC, or should the University of Dundee have had that discussion before coming up with the terms of reference for the inquiry?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

I am not keen to stop questions, but I want to keep our focus on the matter. You have made your point and you have done it in the way that you wanted to, but I do not want to get into council tax and where people pay it. Can we please focus our remarks elsewhere?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

But you know why I am asking. Please tell me that you know why.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

There was a password allocated when the plan was sent to the unions, and it included the number of job losses as the numerical reference.

Ms Bey, you seem surprised by that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you think that it was crass and wholly inappropriate for the number of job losses to be included in that password?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

University of Dundee

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Douglas Ross

If it was not deliberate, it is the most massive coincidence ever. Let us say that it happened and that it was deliberate. Do you believe that it was crass and inappropriate?