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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I remind members that, if amendment 206 is agreed to, I will not be able to call amendment 207, due to pre-emption.

Amendment 206 not moved.

Amendments 207 and 352 not moved.

Amendment 108 moved—[Jenny Gilruth]—and agreed to.

Amendments 109, 110, 208 and 353 not moved.

Amendment 23 moved—[Ross Greer].

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 113 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Are you pressing it, therefore?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

That concludes our consideration of the bill at stage 2.

I thank the cabinet secretary, her officials, committee members and others who have lodged amendments and allowed us to debate the issues. I also make a special mention of broadcasting, the official report and others who have facilitated our long meetings well into the evening hours. I thank our clerks and the entire committee team for their work on the bill. Finally, we are also grateful to the legislation team, who, as I know from personal experience, take members’ ideas and put them into a form that can be debated.

With those remarks, I close the meeting.

Meeting closed at 22:05.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

On that point, have the bodies that will be involved, and indeed the Scottish Government, learned enough from past mistakes? Professor Seaton, you said that history is littered with examples of where more funding and better resources could have been allocated. Are we in Scotland—the Government in particular, and the bodies involved in the bill—good enough at learning from the mistakes of the past?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

You will have seen some of the criticism of the bill from others, including those whom we will hear from today, but do you think that it is a good and adequate bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

In your submission, you say:

“Many employers do not believe that the Scottish labour market will be able to support the delivery of their future business plans and are facing immediate impacts with potential delays on their critical projects.”

Do you think that that issue will be resolved through the bill and, more widely, through what you heard in the programme for government yesterday?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I thought that you might have had a wider discussion about that when you were discussing the bill. Did you look at examples elsewhere in the UK or wider international examples?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

I understand your answer, but we are scrutinising a bill, and you, as our first panel of witnesses, are saying that funding and resourcing are concerns. You are saying, from your vast experience, that there is a legitimate concern that the bill, if it is passed, will not be resourced properly and that we will meet the same pitfalls as we have in the past. What can the Government or these bodies do to reassure you that this time it will be different, or is it impossible to get that reassurance?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Douglas Ross

Before I go to Jackie Dunbar, I want to know whether you have had any explanation from ministers or officials as to the reason for not supporting the recommendations in the OECD report. Is there anything that prevents them from taking on those recommendations? Has that topic been raised with the other panel members?