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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

But you cannot give us any more detail—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Good morning, and welcome to the 11th meeting in 2025 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. The first item on our agenda is an evidence session on the Promise. We have received apologies from Keith Brown, and I note that Roz McCall is joining us this morning.

For our evidence session, we have Natalie Don-Innes, Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise; Gavin Henderson, deputy director for keeping the Promise; and Iona Colvin, chief social work adviser.

Minister, I understand that you would like to make an opening statement. Over to you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

So, give us a ballpark figure.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Henderson, what I am looking for is whether the bill is roughly there and you are, say, 10 per cent away from putting the finishing touches to it, or whether you are a long way off and it will be more likely that we as a Parliament will get it just before we all go on summer recess, meaning that our opportunity to scrutinise it will not start until September. That is a fear that I am now picking up from the minister.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Pam Duncan-Glancy.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

It is looking at exemptions for care-experienced learners from the policy on school exclusion, and the recommendation from officers to council is that the option to exclude from school as a last resort should be retained. That would be contrary to what the Promise seeks to do.

Right now, today, on 26 March 2025, we have local authorities in Scotland that are urging councillors—it is council officers who have written the paper to urge councillors—to support a policy that would not be in line with the Promise.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Does it not go back to the point that several members have been making about progress on the Promise? You say that there is good progress, that things are working and that we are going to get to a stage at which the Promise is delivered, but years on from the inception of the Promise, local authorities are still coming up with policies that would be contrary to it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Do you think that North Ayrshire Council would be wrong to approve the paper today?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

Are you aware of the paper that is going to North Ayrshire Council today?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Douglas Ross

That concludes the committee’s evidence on the Promise. However, as we have you here, minister, I would like to raise a couple of other points. May I ask you, minister: do you respect this committee?