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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Was that all before you knew that 632 FTE jobs were at risk?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I was in receipt of free school meals for a period when my father lost his job, so I totally understand what you have said. However, I specifically asked you whether you agreed with the children’s commissioner’s view that the SSI that you have lodged will exacerbate stigma, because it will result in free school meals being provided only to primary 6 and primary 7 children who are in receipt of the Scottish child payment. Do you agree with that view?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Thank you for that opening statement and for your written evidence, which was very helpful, and the report that was published at the beginning of this week. What were the main findings of that report? Will you outline some of the top issues that you think that we should be looking at?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I will follow on from Mr Adam’s point. You have been very generous in accepting some of the points that have been made—you have not necessarily agreed with them, but you accept that it is right that we look at the issue. However, committees are also here to scrutinise SSIs. If we simply rubber-stamped every SSI, that would not make for good legislation. Do you accept that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

You have brought some new issues to the fore, but a lot of what you speak about has been raised in the past. How frustrated are you that, in 2025, we are still discussing and debating barriers that children and young people face in education and wider society?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The next item on our agenda is consideration of a piece of subordinate legislation subject to the affirmative procedure. The committee will take evidence on the instrument from the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills and her officials, and the cabinet secretary will then move the motion to approve it.

I welcome to the meeting Jenny Gilruth, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills; Alison Taylor, deputy director for improvement, attainment and wellbeing; Laura Meikle, head of the support and wellbeing unit; and Nico McKenzie-Juetten, a lawyer at the Scottish Government legal directorate.

I invite the cabinet secretary to speak to the draft instrument.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

My point is that it should never take a year to do the work on an issue such as free school meals. That point applies to not only the Scottish Government and Scottish bodies but the UK Government and others. If a Government has an aspiration to take action on an issue such as free school meals, on which I do not think that there is political disagreement, there must surely be a way to do so, and it should not take a year. Maybe the SSI will lead to good practice in future.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

We move to agenda item 3. I invite the cabinet secretary to move motion S6M-16753.

Motion moved,

That the Education, Children and Young People Committee recommends that the Social Security Information-sharing (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2025 [draft] be approved.—[Jenny Gilruth]

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

I was—very much so. On page 1 of your policy note, it says that the regulations will

“increase the eligibility for free school meals but which are not as expansive as universal provision.”

Those of us on the committee who, only a few months ago, voted for universal provision, which was agreed to by the Parliament, will find it difficult to agree to the regulations because of the inclusion of that line in your policy note.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Sorry, but you made that pledge in the 2021 election and were then defeated in the Parliament on 10 September last year. Now, you are asking the committee—and, when the regulations go to the chamber, the Parliament—to agree to something that will allow you to deliver less.

The Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland, who is sitting behind you, is giving evidence after you. At the time, she said that the rollback on universal free school meals was a “broken promise to children”. She said that children going to school hungry could

“severely impact development in childhood and into adulthood”.

She also said:

“One of the greatest barriers to the take up of school meals are feelings of shame and stigma, and only providing meals to Primary 6 and 7 in receipt of the Scottish Child Payment just exacerbates that stigma.”

Do you agree with that? Do you agree that it sounds like the children’s commissioner does not support the regulations?