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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 October 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Sorry, Mr Maconachie—let me ask the question.

Concerns were raised at a board meeting of the Scottish Funding Council about the SFC being “a conduit for” the Scottish Government.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Do other committee members want to come in? If not, I will go to Maggie Chapman.

Miles Briggs wants to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

The committee has an extremely busy schedule today, so we must draw this evidence session to a close. I thank the witnesses for their time.

I suspend the meeting for about five minutes.

10:19 Meeting suspended.  

10:27 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Welcome back. We move to our next panel. I welcome Ben Macpherson, the Minister for Higher and Further Education, and two officials from the Scottish Government. Stuart Greig is head of the governance and assurance division in the lifelong learning and skills directorate, and Amanda Callaghan is deputy director for the institutional stability response hub.

Minister, I understand that you want to make an opening statement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

With respect, it is. Your predecessor told us on 11 June that he had

“already had a direct conversation with the chairs of the universities in Scotland”,

and that the Government was

“encouraging them to exercise restraint in the uprating of remunerative packages in view of the challenging financial circumstances and the cost of living crisis. There has already been a conversation of sorts about exercising self-restraint and self-awareness.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 11 June 2025; c 6.]

Is that an approach that you are going to continue?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I understand that, and that was confirmed on 11 June. The Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills, Jenny Gilruth, went on to say:

“The minister and I might wish to reflect on that, given the committee’s evidence from last week’s session.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 11 June 2025; c 5.]

Has there been any further work on that since June? I was comforted by that response from the cabinet secretary, and by that from the then Minister for Higher and Further Education. Are you saying that there has been no work on that element?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

I call Jackie Dunbar.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

Sorry to interrupt, minister. You heard the discussion, but did your officials pick up the phone to the chair of the court to ask what is happening?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Douglas Ross

You have a vast array of officials working for you, minister. Did no one say, “Look, this is going to be the exact same question he is going to ask you, so let’s find out”?