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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Amendment 229, in the name of Pam Duncan-Glancy, is grouped with amendments 231, 238, 289 and 354.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, please.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Mr Mason will have read my letter to the Finance and Public Administration Committee on my member’s bill, in which I suggest savings that the Government could make by reducing the number of civil servants. I know that that point has been made before and that others who serve on that committee have made it.

Adding the body that is proposed in the amendments would not mean that we believe that every other civil servant or public body and individual should remain in post. Efficiencies can be made without saying that there is no capacity, in some areas in which there are deficiencies, for new bodies to be established with very specific remits and roles.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The changing over of the cabinet secretary’s officials gives us an opportunity to have a short recess for 10 minutes.

19:36 Meeting suspended.  

19:47 On resuming—  

Section 26—His Majesty’s Chief Inspector of Education in Scotland

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Does the cabinet secretary also accept that independence is crucial here and that the role of regulating exams must be carried out independently from qualifications Scotland and from Government if we are to get trust back, or does she believe that that role can be part of the new body, which would, we hope, simply perform better in that respect?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

You got there before anyone else said that, Mr Mason.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

There will be a division.

For

Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Lab)
Rennie, Willie (North East Fife) (LD)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)

Against

Adam, George (Paisley) (SNP)
Dunbar, Jackie (Aberdeen Donside) (SNP)
FitzPatrick, Joe (Dundee City West) (SNP)
Greer, Ross (West Scotland) (Green)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

The question is, that amendment 264 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Is it about your not being seen during the division on amendment 261?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 30 April 2025

Douglas Ross

Yes, the chat is monitored, but as we are doing the divisions by hand and not electronically, we have to record not just the numbers but how each person votes. Therefore, the clerking team is making sure that the right votes are allocated to the respective voting members on the committee. Everyone has a role.