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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 January 2024
Liz Smith
I want to pursue co-design issues and the implications for costs, which are the central concern for the committee. I would like a bit of clarity, please. You said in an answer to the convener that there has been considerable co-design over the past nine months. That takes us back to April 2023. Can you make it clear whether co-design was on-going before then? When did the co-design start?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 January 2024
Liz Smith
Did the substantial changes that have been made to the bill in respect of no transfers of staff and assets to local authorities and no new care board plans result from your co-design discussions since spring last year?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 January 2024
Liz Smith
Why was that not possible, given that co-design was on-going before? If people were advising those changes, why did the Scottish Government not respond to that at an earlier point?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 January 2024
Liz Smith
The committee’s concern is to assess that with more certainty. As the convener said in his questions, we need much greater clarity about the nature of the costs that will be involved in implementing the bill. That is the central issue. There might be lots of good things about it—I am not taking sides on whether it is good or bad—but the principal role of the committee is to understand what the future costs will be and, therefore, how accurate the new financial memorandum is. We have considerable difficulty with that because of the uncertainty that is unfolding from quite a lot of your answers this morning. We simply do not know some of those things. Do you accept that?
11:00Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 January 2024
Liz Smith
But what do you think the on-going discussions on co-design will be about if there are no suggestions of further substantial changes?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 January 2024
Liz Smith
I understand that. The key point here, in relation to what you have just said, is that how the bill is implemented surely has a direct relationship to cost.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 January 2024
Liz Smith
But those are not related to future co-design.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 January 2024
Liz Smith
I will leave it there, convener.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 January 2024
Liz Smith
Did that decision to re-engage largely come from concerns over costs, or did other factors require that re-engagement?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 23 January 2024
Liz Smith
That is helpful—in a way.
Co-design can, in principle, have a strong case behind it, as you are engaging with the stakeholders who are collectively making representations to the Government about what the right process might be, but do you accept that, because that process is on-going, it is exceptionally difficult to come to any accurate assessment of what the costs are going to be?