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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Liz Smith

Mr Swinney, I will start my questions with a point of clarification. In November, the First Minister wrote in the Financial Times:

“The budget of the Scottish government, for example, is worth £1.7bn less than when it was set in December as a result of inflation”.

I have heard you agree with that figure in the chamber. The First Minister added:

“yet we have not received a single additional penny from the UK government.”

Do you agree that you

“have not received a single additional penny from the UK government”?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Liz Smith

Can you explain why you think that that is true, when the Scottish Fiscal Commission outlined extensive Barnett consequentials for 2021-22 and for 2022-23? I think that the current figures are something like £447 million.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Liz Smith

Does the ethical standards commission require 7.4 additional full-time equivalent staff because the workload has significantly increased in the commissioner’s office? If that is the case, by how much has it increased? That, too, is a matter of public record. One of important things in relation to commissioners is public accountability for where the money is spent; that is probably the commissioner that has the highest profile in terms of being held to account by the public. Will you give us a little bit more detail about that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Liz Smith

I take your point about some of that but, notwithstanding the perceived advantages that people in Scotland have, if they are asked to pay higher levels of tax than elsewhere, they will look for effective delivery of public services. If we look at the NHS, schools or transport and if we listen to some of the comments from yesterday, what is additional in the quality of delivery of public services that merits those higher tax rates?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Liz Smith

However, Mr Swinney, people do not find it easy to see their general practitioner. They are finding that there are cuts to bus services, some train services or services that are provided to our islands. A lot of things add up to concerns about the delivery of public services. That is reflected in some of the comments that were made yesterday.

I will ask you about one other aspect of the tax changes: the change to the additional dwelling supplement. The Scottish Government forecasts that we will get extra revenue from that tax change. Has it done any modelling about that change in light of the number of people who say that they might leave the market for the additional dwelling supplement as a result of the rent freeze?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Liz Smith

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Liz Smith

I very much agree with what was said in the previous conversation. It would be irresponsible if we were seen to be feathering our own nests.

I return to the issue of commissioners, because it is vital that the public have complete transparency on what their money is being used for. In your note to us, you mention that the additional money that is being sought by the Scottish Human Rights Commission is about reorganisation and staffing structure, whereas the money for the ethical standards commission is about getting an additional 7.4 full-time-equivalent staff. Do we have more information about what the new structure is for the SHRC, and do you know what the 7.4 FTE staff in the ethical standards commission will be doing?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Liz Smith

However, it is not correct to say that there was not a single penny more from the UK Government.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Liz Smith

Is the Scottish Fiscal Commission wrong to say that there are those Barnett consequentials?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Liz Smith

That is helpful. I am sure that we will have a look at that evidence.

A lot of economic commentators have said that Scotland needs more higher-paid jobs to help with labour market flexibility, to improve productivity and to ensure that we get a better tax take. The committee is interested in finding ways in which Scotland can make best use of all its talents and ensure that more people go into the sort of higher-paid work that would benefit the economy hugely. It would be helpful to hear the panel’s reflections on that.