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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 22 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Liz Smith

As you will know, we are doing some work on public sector reform and, in previous committee meetings, we have discussed a previous Scottish Government commitment to ensuring that the size of the public sector was roughly what it was before Covid. Is it still the Government’s policy intention for that to be the case?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Liz Smith

I heard your answer to Mr Mason—I was just asking why you had made that decision.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Liz Smith

Right.

Sticking with the education and skills portfolio, am I correct in thinking that some pupil equity money has been returned to the centre?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Liz Smith

My final question is on the First Minister’s statement about the £300 million extra that is being allocated to the national health service. As I understand it, we are talking about £100 million in each successive budget over three years. Are you able to say where that money is coming from?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Liz Smith

With respect, minister, it is not enough just to put it out in good faith. As Michelle Thomson rightly said, it is our duty and responsibility in this committee to be rigorous in the scrutiny that we adopt on the financial memorandum. She also cited the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill and the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill. I understand why it is important that good policy making is based on co-design, where the stakeholders work in collaboration with the Government. I absolutely get that, but, if that co-design process is extended almost indefinitely—as it is, as far as I can see, in this case—it is almost impossible for us to scrutinise the final numbers of a financial memorandum. Do you accept that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Liz Smith

I am asking the question because, although Mr Quayle answered the question about some detail of the possible timescales, there is a big question about the on-going co-design of the policies. It is clear from the evidence that we have taken so far that local authorities are not at all confident that the extent of the co-design is either certain or, in terms of the timescales, very clear. I will ask again: why do you have 10 out of 10 confidence in the financial memorandum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Liz Smith

If you are making the point that your confidence in the financial memorandum is 10 out of 10, why is it that the witnesses from whom we have taken evidence say that theirs is at four or five? Why is there that discrepancy? What has gone wrong there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Liz Smith

I will follow on from Michelle Thomson’s line of questioning, which is important. Standing orders say that a financial memorandum must set out the

“best estimates of the costs, savings, and changes to revenues to which the provisions of the Bill would give rise, and an indication of the margins of uncertainty in such estimates. The Financial Memorandum must also include best estimates of the timescales over which such costs, savings, and changes to revenues would be expected to arise.”

You have put it on record this morning that you think that this financial memorandum is 10 out of 10 when it comes to confidence. In relation to the timescales that you are setting out, are you absolutely confident that that is correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Liz Smith

Minister, you rightly mentioned in your opening statement how the uplift in the teachers’ pay settlement is a very important and understandable commitment in the financial landscape that you have to deal with. For clarification, do the figures in the table in section A.2.1 in the guide to the autumn budget revision—the section entitled “Gross Funding Changes”—relate to the 2022-23 budget commitments?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 November 2023

Liz Smith

Yes, indeed. Overall, we welcome that commitment, but you are right that it has led to some very difficult decisions, with the potential for more difficult decisions coming down the line on commitments in future budgets. Obviously, this is a very large part of the budgetary negotiations. Do you feel that that pressure will be there for the foreseeable future?