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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Liz Smith

Ms Haughey, you gave a very sensible response to the convener’s question about democratic accountability. As well as examining costs, which is obviously our meat and drink on this committee, we believe that the accountability line is very important. I now have far more experience of the health side of things because of my interest in the Eljamel case, and it seems to me that there was so much buck passing—it was always somebody else’s problem—which left so many distressed patients at their wits’ end, given all the trauma that they had faced. If we are to ensure that there are better public services, we have to decide how best to ensure that there is accountability in the system. I am interested in your views on how that could happen in the health brief.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Liz Smith

Thank you, both.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Liz Smith

Ms Webber, do you think that the increasing demands on the children’s commissioner have come about because of a failure within the education system?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Liz Smith

The previous commissioner gave evidence to the committee about this gap, which is important in this debate because the gap matters. It matters in the lives of children and young people and it matters to the conclusions that we come to about whether the oversight that the commissioner has is the problem or whether the problem is a failure within the system.

Mr Whitfield, you represent two completely different scenarios here because Ms Webber deals with a commissioner whose main interest is advocacy and, Mr Whitfield, as you rightly said, you deal with regulation and investigation. Do those differences commissioners’ roles change the public perception of whether they are successful?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 14 May 2024

Liz Smith

Can you give us some examples of where there has been a huge gap between the delivery and what was promised?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Liz Smith

You mentioned earlier that you were a member of the then Finance and Constitution Committee. Do you accept that, given the parliamentary process that is laid out in the standing orders, it is exceptionally difficult, if not impossible, for a committee to effectively scrutinise, investigate and interrogate the current numbers, because they are not accurate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Liz Smith

We are in the very difficult position in which, as the convener set out in his questioning, we are looking at costs that are vastly different from those that were initially presented to the committee. In addition, we understand that the Scottish Government had known about some of the inaccuracies for quite some time—six or seven months, perhaps.

Our problem is that, on what is an important amending bill, we are being asked to make a judgment about matters in relation to which we do not know enough of the facts. I hope that you would agree that that is not good for parliamentary scrutiny.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Liz Smith

Thank you for that detailed response—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scotland’s Commissioner Landscape

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Liz Smith

Do you see any role for a commissioner in dealing with complaints? Obviously that would not be in a legal context, because such issues would probably have to go to other commissioners, but do you see that as an aspect in which a commissioner might be involved?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Liz Smith

I do not disagree; that is exactly what is laid down in standing orders. The problem is with the timing. That is the difficulty that we are facing. The proposal is that the committee should scrutinise updated figures after stage 2. I think that I can speak for most committee members when I say that we are not satisfied by that because, as I said, it renders our job pretty much impossible.