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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 13 March 2025
Liz Smith
Thank you. That was helpful.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Liz Smith
Convener, that might be something that we want to scrutinise.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Liz Smith
Would it be possible to break that down into savings in justice and in health, or is there just an overall figure?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Liz Smith
Before I ask my main questions, I will go back to the convener’s questions about data. Do you have any evidence that the fact that your bill is in existence means that the availability of data is improving? It is by no means complete, as you have rightly said—I speak as someone who also has a member’s bill in Parliament and has lacked data to work with. Do you have any evidence that we are getting better data because you are addressing the issues through your bill?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Liz Smith
Minister, I do not have any issues with the order that you have set out. However, it raises issues that we have been wrestling with in the committee for a long time, and our predecessor committee—the Finance and Constitution Committee—in the previous session of Parliament was doing exactly the same. We are all struggling to get a handle on what the criteria are for measuring public sector reform.
I have heard you and Shona Robison say in the chamber several times that there has been quite a lot of improvement in the efficiency of public services. It is not easy to see that, and I think that you would probably agree. Do you have any way of helping the committee to know what criteria we should be looking for to see how well we are advancing with public sector reform?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Liz Smith
It is a big question, because we are responsible for scrutinising public money. If aspects of public sector reform are working particularly well in saving public money and delivering better outcomes, it is important to the Parliament and the committee to demonstrate that. I am interested in how Scottish ministers or civil servants can provide some of the data that we need to scrutinise that a bit more, because, if we could do that, it could go a long way towards improving how the Parliament works and giving the public some confidence that public sector reform is working.
11:15Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Liz Smith
When is that data—
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Liz Smith
You said that an update was coming.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Liz Smith
That sounds positive.
Following your opening remarks, the convener asked you about Dame Carol Black’s comment that every £1 that is spent might get a £4 return due to reduced spending in justice and health services, which is obviously encouraging. Paragraph 94 of your financial memorandum refers to a Public Health Scotland figure from 2009, which put the cost of illicit drug use at £3.5 billion at a time when drug use was less than it is, sadly, today. Drug use is higher now, so the costs will be higher. Do you therefore consider that savings might also be much higher as a result of that?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Liz Smith
In the chamber, Mr Ross, you have put it to the Parliament several times that the bill is designed specifically to complement, rather than to replace, the other policies that are designed to improve treatment. Do you have any way of ascertaining how well all those might come together, if your bill is passed? Will we see a reduction in some other areas, or will what is in the bill be in addition to them?