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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

In your experience, would that discussion be had between the Scottish Government and a proposed chair?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

That is helpful. Lord Hardie, the terms of reference of any public inquiry are primarily for the Scottish Government to decide. In some inquiries, those who are affected by the inquiry, plus the chair of the inquiry and their team, will have input to those terms of reference. I think that I am right in saying that we have had three inquiries—Penrose, child abuse, and Covid—in which the terms of reference have changed over time because certain evidence has come out and there has been a case for making a change. Are we often under pressure to change the terms of reference, because of the difficulties with some public inquiries?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

If it were to be the case that the terms of reference had proven not to be sufficient to allow evidence from another jurisdiction to be taken into consideration, would that matter have to come back to the chair of the Scottish inquiry, to be discussed with the Scottish ministers?

10:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

That is very helpful, thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

My second question relates to some of the evidence that we have taken prior to today: namely, that there is concern that the growing demand for public inquiries—with some exceptions; not in relation to Covid, for example—is coming about because there is a perceived failure of Government agencies to address specific problems. Therefore, it is convenient for a Government to push the issue aside and say, “The inquiry will look after that,” when, in fact, there is a role for Government, which should be sorting the delivery of our public services a bit better. Do you agree with that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

And secondary legislation, too?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

My point is that the principle is one thing, but the workability and the delivery of whatever is going to take place are a different issue. As I understand it, having read the Official Reports of the various committees that were involved at the time, the principle was generally pretty well accepted, but how workable the Government’s proposals were was a completely different issue. That is where the opposition came from.

We started with one bill, which no longer exists, and we now have a second attempt at a bill that is based on what is seen to be more acceptable. Why are you confident that, when it comes to stage 2 amendments and possible stage 3 amendments, the on-going co-design will make the new bill much more acceptable to people?

09:45  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

That was generally accepted to be a perfectly acceptable endeavour.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

Based on the very interesting comments that you have just made, Dr Ireton, do you feel that there is a case for judge-led inquiries, to ensure that there is public trust?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

If evidence that has not been foreseen comes to an inquiry, is it appropriate to change, extend or modify the terms of reference, to allow that evidence to become a critical part of the inquiry?