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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Liz Smith

Are you discussing that with local authorities? One of the people who was presenting to the NFUS in the Perth and Kinross area said that one of the procurement problems was that meals were being brought in from Dundee and costed more as a result. Many people, particularly those in farming communities, felt that some of the food in Perth and Kinross would have been better and cost less. Perth and Kinross Council allegedly did not have particularly good engagement with the NFUS on that. As I said, it is important to make the right choices about what is and is not working, and to ensure that the local authorities have bought into that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee [Draft]

Eradicating Child Poverty

Meeting date: 29 May 2025

Liz Smith

I completely understand some of that, cabinet secretary. We can debate the politics in the chamber and in other areas of the Parliament although, factually, we have to accept the current circumstances. Based on the statistics that the SFC has published today, let us be honest that there is a big black hole in the amount of money that the Scottish Government is predicted to take in set against its projected spend. Will the Scottish Government pursue progressively higher tax rates to get extra revenue in, or is it open to looking at greater targeting for the policies that we have just been talking about, so that we are not spending quite so much in some areas? Is that the economic crux of the matter? Yesterday, at the Economy and Fair Work Committee, David Phillips spoke about behavioural changes because of changes to the tax policy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

I would like to ask two questions, if I may. First, in some situations, the terms of reference of public inquiries have changed—I think that that has happened in three out of 10 inquiries since 2007—and, therefore, there has been a potential for costs to increase. Is it your understanding that those terms of reference changed because the chair of the inquiry found unforeseen evidence that led them somewhere else and, therefore, they had to go back to the Scottish Government to ask for an amendment to the terms of reference?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

Minister, you are correct in saying that, at the time, there was substantial stakeholder engagement—obviously, the bill has a substantial impact for the country. However, by and large, those stakeholders were telling you that what was proposed in the initial bill was not at all satisfactory and that, on a cost basis, it was going to be unaffordable. That is what was coming back and, as you know, four committees of the Parliament had considerable concerns about the original bill.

My question is about the co-design principle. If co-design is to work well, surely the stakeholders with whom the Scottish Government is engaging must be able to flag up those concerns early doors, so that we do not get into this kind of situation, in which there has been a very substantial change—part 1 of the bill has completely gone—and we are repurposing four attempts at a financial memorandum. Do you accept that the principle of co-design has not worked in this instance?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

But that did not happen with the first iteration.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

Before I ask my next question, I put on the record that I am involved in the Eljamel inquiry through my casework.

If it transpires during the inquiry that other jurisdictions might have some influence on determining what evidence is relevant and what might apply, how would the chair of the inquiry in Scotland take that on board in their discussions with the Scottish Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

The convener was asking about the possible costs. Do you predict that the stage 3 amendments may push up costs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

Given that on-going co-design, can I ask the minister what kind of amendments she is expecting at stage 3?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

The Government has made great play of the co-design principle—which, I note, is still one of the underlying principles behind the change. At the start, minister, both you and your predecessor, Kevin Stewart, made a great play of the co-design. What went wrong that led to such a substantial change being made to the proposed legislation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Liz Smith

What criteria would you use in deciding that an inquiry should be judge led?