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Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Liz Smith
I understand that that has implications for budgets in general, which brings me nicely to my next point. The convener twice attempted to ask you about the opportunity costs—again, it comes back to the scrutiny of this Parliament. On the basis of what modelling does the Scottish Government believe that its social security approaches are providing better benefits and better outcomes in delivering the anti-poverty strategy compared with college funding, schools funding, early years funding and many other things? What actual opportunity cost measurement is the Scottish Government undertaking to provide the evidence for its policy decisions, which allows financial scrutiny by this committee to show whether those policies are the right ones?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Liz Smith
But cabinet secretary, the Fiscal Commission is predicting that, between the coming budget and 2029-30, the social security budget will go up by nearly 30 per cent. That is a huge increase. The committee is interested to know what might be cut in relation to that spend. We have heard this morning that various other portfolios are complaining bitterly about a lack of money. In order to make judgments on the issue, the committee has to see what the outcomes are. That question is a huge issue for the Scottish Government, given what the Scottish Fiscal Commission says is a completely unsustainable social security benefit system for the future.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Liz Smith
Your colleague Shona Robison is arguing strongly that you cannot roll out universalism to a greater extent because you simply cannot afford it.
To come back on the point that you raised earlier, the Government wants to target those who are most in need. That is what we signed up to in 2018. I suggest that the policy of universalism across the board is simply not sustainable for the Scottish budget.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Liz Smith
We will leave it there. I am sure that the debate will continue.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Liz Smith
Universities Scotland speaks strongly in its submission about the problem of the restrictions that the sector is under, about the inflexibility that Lesley Jackson spoke about a little while ago and about the difficulty that that will perhaps cause the sector in trying to be innovative and do new things. What has to happen to get a new, different funding model that leads to greater fiscal sustainability?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Liz Smith
Is there enough urgency about the issue? There are examples of institutions in Scotland having considerable fiscal difficulties and almost existential difficulties. Is the approach urgent enough to resolve matters as quickly as we can?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Liz Smith
Are those apprentices people from school?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Liz Smith
If the £36 million figure is accurate, what is your estimate of how much you will be able to recover?
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Liz Smith
Precisely.
Finance and Public Administration Committee
Meeting date: 16 September 2025
Liz Smith
But your colleague Shona Robison, the finance secretary, said to the committee two weeks ago that there are certain decisions that the Scottish Government will not be able to pursue as it would like to do. She said that the roll-out of free school meals will not be as extensive as the Scottish Government would like. That means, I would hope, that there is a conscious decision within Government to decide how the money would be better spent on other things. However, others would argue that the provision of free school meals is a very important part of the strategy to tackle poverty. I ask again, what are the decision-making criteria that the Government uses to decide which areas have the best outcomes in tackling poverty?