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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Liz Smith

On the outcome agreements that are established between individual universities and the Scottish Funding Council, is what you enunciated exactly the main concern of individual universities as they approach their discussions with the SFC about determining outcomes? Do they all share the view that that is where potential problems could hit hardest?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Liz Smith

Finally, when it comes to being at the cutting edge of innovation and research, where Scottish universities have punched well above their weight for a very long time, is there evidence that Scottish universities are finding that more difficult? In other words, is there evidence that the knowledge exchange that you spoke about and international co-operation, which has been absolutely crucial to many universities in Scotland, particularly in the past two decades, are being undermined due to the funding situation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Liz Smith

Ms Rowand, when you talked about the opportunity cost of developing a new social care system, you said that we had to bear in mind not just the cost of introducing a new system but the fact that resources might have to be taken away from elsewhere. Can you expand on that? Are you saying that any new system will create an additional administrative burden or do you foresee some of the social care services that are provided on the ground being changed or removed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Liz Smith

Thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Liz Smith

Indeed, and thank you very much for those helpful answers.

Ms Kelly, given what has been said, am I right in thinking that COSLA’s position is that some of the change to a national care service could be extremely difficult as far as the current services are concerned?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Liz Smith

Mr Sim, I hope that you will not mind if I continue with questions on exactly that theme.

In your submission, you were very clear that one of the issues that worry you is that things such as research, innovation and artificial intelligence are now classified on the capital side of spend, rather than the resource side, and that the national performance framework concentrates on the latter.

I think that all of us in Parliament would argue that research and development is one of the great strengths of Scotland’s university sector. Earlier, you mentioned that Scotland is able to attract absolutely the finest people. What would you like to see being done in recognition of that? It is obviously one of the sustaining factors of the sector.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Liz Smith

This question is much more technical—I apologise for that—but it is important. You set out in your letter the methodology that has been used to measure the areas that you believe are most in need. That methodology is also on the UK Government website and is largely based on the indices that the Office for National Statistics produced.

When the Scottish Government makes an assessment of the areas that it thinks are most in need, it uses the formal Scottish Fiscal Commission budget analysis and estimates, with some based on ONS input and others not. I want to check that the UK Government’s assessment of the areas that are most in need—that is, the methodology that you use—does not use data that is different from the data that is used when it comes to the Scottish economy. If there was different data, there could be different interpretations.

A conclusion from our budget report was that the Scottish economy sometimes suffers from the Scottish Fiscal Commission and the Office for Budget Responsibility having different timescales. Are you confident that the methodology that is being used to decide which areas are most in need uses a formula agreed by both Governments?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Liz Smith

That is very helpful. Is it your understanding that that would be done on an independent basis for all spending across the UK?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Liz Smith

I reference the fact that the co-operation on deals such as the Tay cities deal was absolutely first class, because everybody was on the same page. The UK Government, the Scottish Government, local authorities and local interest groups were on the same page with regard to what the ambitions were for the Tay cities project, and I think that that was true of the other city deals, too.

If there was a slight difference between the Scottish Government’s priorities through the national performance framework and those of the UK Government, how would that be resolved to the satisfaction of both Governments?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Replacing European Union Structural Funds

Meeting date: 24 February 2022

Liz Smith

Secretary of state, you will be aware that the committee has recently published its report on the budget for 2022-23. It was a unanimous report. Not only does it flag up quite a lot of concerns about the Scottish economy, it raises concerns about the budget process. One of the conclusions in that report is that there is not sufficient transparency between the UK Government and the Scottish Government about where the income streams come from and, just as important, where they are being spent. Those points were also raised by people who gave evidence to the committee during our scrutiny of the budget.

On the three new funds that we are discussing, are you confident that both Governments are absolutely clear about the amounts of money that are available and what the timescales are?