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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

That is correct, so can we take this a little bit further? In a Covid scenario, when we obviously want to increase the amount of money that is available to Scotland in order to get ourselves back on our feet—there has been additional money, which has been drawn from reserves—is it your view that the process of applying that spending has great difficulties if it is at the behest of the UK Government acting on behalf of Scotland rather than being held and disbursed by the Scottish Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

And of this committee.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

It would be helpful to the committee if we could get a little detail. As you say, it is obviously very technical. I am sure that Michelle Thomson wants to come in on that.

I have another couple of questions, Michelle, so if you want to come in on that bit—it is up to the convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

Mr Mackay is quite right—the matter is exceptionally technical. I am interested in the prediction that it will be more difficult in the years ahead to draw back as much money on student loans, because more people have gone through great difficulties after Covid. Is that really what you are saying?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

I understand that, but that aspect is very important because it has an effect on the numbers of students. We are trying to widen access, which we have made good progress on, so it has a big implication for future spending.

Minister, I want to ask you about your helpful table towards the end of your brief about the differences between the Covid and non-Covid spend on education. We had Alastair Sim at committee last week, who made the point that he is concerned that higher education is not sufficiently high up the Scottish Government’s list of priorities when it comes to future spend. The figure for higher education student support in that table is £15 million. I have asked about that before, but I ask again: specifically, what is that figure for?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

The broader point, minister, is that we can agree or disagree with Mr Sim about the future spend on higher education, but a serious issue has been presented to the committee from a lot of witnesses, which is that higher education really matters for the skills that we need if we are to address some of the problems in the economy. What is very helpful about the information that you have provided is that we have a better breakdown of that spending. I am interested in things such as student support, because that is an important aspect of encouraging younger people into higher education.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Liz Smith

We have heard not in the committee but in Parliament about the concern in local authorities—not just Fife—with regard to the huge potential cost of changing to a national care service. If such a move were to deliver far better results, a case could obviously be made for it, but what we have heard in Parliament is that that might be difficult, particularly given the difficult financial circumstances. As finance director for a council, do you feel that there is sufficient evidence on the provision of social care to prove that this new national service might be better in the long run?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 1 March 2022

Liz Smith

Will you confirm, then, that in the current financial circumstances, it is your preference, as the body that oversees local government, for finance to go straight on to the front line just now rather than for any major reorganisation as that would give you better options?