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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

Sorry, it is in your table in paper FPA/S6/22/9/1. It is under your figures for education and skills. You have figures for central Government grants to local authorities, higher education, student support, Scottish Funding Council, learning and so on. That figure is against student support, which is all tied up in that support, so I wondered what that was.

If the convener agrees, I am happy for somebody to write to me about that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

That would be helpful. In one of the briefings that Professors Gerry McCormac and Sally Mapstone from Universities Scotland presented not long ago, they were very concerned about getting over this Covid period and providing extra student support to help with that, so I am interested to know what that figure is for.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

I will stay on the same theme, Professor Heald. It is an interesting debate whether, from a philosophical angle, devolved and reserved matters should remain separate or whether there is an economic case to have a slight blurring to boost expenditure. In paragraph 10 of your submission, you say that such a blurring can affect transparency because it is not so easy to see where the money is being spent and, more importantly, how well it is being used. You mention “blame shifting” or “credit claiming” and say that it becomes too much of a political matter. Is there a philosophical argument for keeping reserved and devolved matters entirely separate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

I would echo the comments of the convener, that it is extremely helpful to have this additional information that we have not had on previous occasions. I also thank you, minister, for the letter that you sent me on 16 November 2021, when I asked various questions regarding the autumn budget revisions, particularly on the education front.

I will stay on the education theme for a minute. One of my colleagues wants to ask you about this in a bit more depth, too. Could you interrogate the figure for student loans? It seems to be pretty high.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

Are those Covid-related changes? Obviously, there may be more students who are—

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

That is correct, so can we take this a little bit further? In a Covid scenario, when we obviously want to increase the amount of money that is available to Scotland in order to get ourselves back on our feet—there has been additional money, which has been drawn from reserves—is it your view that the process of applying that spending has great difficulties if it is at the behest of the UK Government acting on behalf of Scotland rather than being held and disbursed by the Scottish Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Resource Spending Review Framework

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

And of this committee.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

It would be helpful to the committee if we could get a little detail. As you say, it is obviously very technical. I am sure that Michelle Thomson wants to come in on that.

I have another couple of questions, Michelle, so if you want to come in on that bit—it is up to the convener.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

Mr Mackay is quite right—the matter is exceptionally technical. I am interested in the prediction that it will be more difficult in the years ahead to draw back as much money on student loans, because more people have gone through great difficulties after Covid. Is that really what you are saying?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Liz Smith

I understand that, but that aspect is very important because it has an effect on the numbers of students. We are trying to widen access, which we have made good progress on, so it has a big implication for future spending.

Minister, I want to ask you about your helpful table towards the end of your brief about the differences between the Covid and non-Covid spend on education. We had Alastair Sim at committee last week, who made the point that he is concerned that higher education is not sufficiently high up the Scottish Government’s list of priorities when it comes to future spend. The figure for higher education student support in that table is £15 million. I have asked about that before, but I ask again: specifically, what is that figure for?