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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 4 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Liz Smith

—that you thought might have to be used but which has not been. Okay—I see the arithmetical calculation. I am just interested in why some of the figures are what they are, but I will leave that for now.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Liz Smith

I completely understand what you say about making available information that a complaint has been made and the name of the person. If I were that person, I would like the public to know that the complaint was turned down for certain specific reasons, to clear my name. I would not want a scenario in which there was on-going doubt and confusion. I completely understand why you say that, if the person is not named, all ministers are potentially involved in the speculation but, if someone is cleared of any wrongdoing, it is important to make clear why.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government’s Continuous Improvement Programme and Updated Complaints Policy

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Liz Smith

Mr Swinney, I think that the Scottish Government and the ethics directorate have gone a long way to improving transparency. I very much welcome the progress that you have made since you first came to the committee, particularly in relation to complaints that are upheld or partially upheld. That is very good news.

Partly from listening to what the convener said, I have slight concerns about circumstances in which a case has not been upheld and about ensuring that all the information comes out to the public. There has to be a categorical assurance to the person, who potentially could be vilified through social media, as the convener mentioned, or otherwise—it should be very clear exactly what the reasons are for not upholding the complaint.

We all know that, especially if there is a bit of a time delay between a complaint being made and the investigation process, there is scope for individuals in any political party to be vilified by members of the public unfairly. I am slightly concerned that that could have an implication for those who might be attracted into politics, who might feel that the system will name and shame them even when they have not done anything wrong. I am a bit concerned about that process, so could I have your reflections on that?

Secondly, when you mentioned that former ministers could be included in the procedure, I take it that that is all former ministers and that there is no time bar for ministers who have not been in office for 10 years or whatever. Does it apply to all ministers?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Liz Smith

No. Well, in effect, it affects both areas, because Scottish Government funds go to local government as well. The issue that I am asking about is this. If there is to be an easing of the fiscal discipline about the transfer of money from capital to resource budgets, is that something that reflects the current extenuating circumstances—you say that you have engaged with the UK Government because of the difficulties that you face—or do you presume that there could be a change to that fiscal discipline whereby it would be possible on a longer term basis to transfer from capital to resource budgets?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Liz Smith

From the perspective of the fiscal framework negotiations, do you have any updates on the timescales for when the independent report is due? At what stage are the Scottish Government’s negotiations with the UK Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Liz Smith

Except that the figures here suggest otherwise, because it is such a big downturn. It is difficult, I would have thought, to convince people that the Scottish Government’s priorities, which include that strong move to net zero, are being adhered to in this budget.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Liz Smith

I have one final point. Obviously, the committee has talked a lot about the national performance framework. How many of the budget decisions that you are taking adhere to its principles?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Liz Smith

On a minor point of clarification, in answer to Mr Mason’s first question on the difference between the two columns, you said—if I heard you correctly—that the second figure was money that you thought might have to be used for the £195 million, I think it was.

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Liz Smith

Yes. On what criteria has that been based? What have you used to make that estimate?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Liz Smith

Has the demand for the money reduced?