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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Let me put it this way. Let us say that a constituency MSP decides to stand down in disgrace. They do not bother with a recall; they just say, “Right, I’m off”—they have done something bad and they are going. What would happen then? There would be a by-election. Under your system—I am not saying that you are proposing this, but you are putting it to me as a question—there would be no by-election.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

We currently have MSPs with caring responsibilities. There are MSPs with young children, and they manage to make things work. The proposal does not penalise anyone. All that it is asking is that somebody physically come into the building once every six months. That is not too much to expect of an elected member of this Parliament.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Let me put a different scenario to you. People switch parties for various reasons. They could have been mistreated by their current party. They might find coming into work a total nightmare and think that they cannot put up with it any longer. Would you punish somebody who was in that situation by subjecting them to a recall vote? I do not think that you would; it would not be fair.

People switch parties for a number of reasons that might not be about political opportunism. They could have absolutely genuine reasons. Somebody might just change their views. There could be a whole load of reasons, and we have to be careful before we go down that route.

It would also open up the wider question of why, if you are going to do something about somebody who is on the list switching parties, you would do not do it for a constituency member.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I do not consider voters to be that easily confused. If a member was subject to a recall vote, there would be quite a lot of publicity around that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I accept that. The question is fair, but it throws up other questions. All that I am saying is that to go down that route throws up other questions.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I think that you would need to give somebody an opportunity to state their case.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

No.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

If you were to go down that avenue, you would need to explore that as well.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

No, I do not think so. The provision aims to capture people—I am not going to name names—who have just decided that they are not going to come in. It has happened in councils and it will happen here. I hope that it is a rare event, but people are people—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Are you talking about recall or non-attendance?