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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

I would like to ask about a couple of other things. Exhibit 3 in the Auditor General’s briefing shows that there has been a huge rise in the number of pupils needing extra help—there has nearly been an 800 per cent increase in 20 years—and the number just continues to go up. More than 40 per cent of pupils now need extra help, and I read this morning that the figure in Glasgow is more than 50 per cent. Those are astonishing figures. You would hope that the increase would, at some point, slow down. Do you see any prospect of that happening?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

I will continue on the same theme, if you do not mind, convener.

Here are some figures. Just under half—46 per cent—of pupils from the most deprived areas receive additional support for learning, whereas just over a quarter—27 per cent—of pupils in the least deprived areas receive such support. Do you have any idea why that should be? Maybe it is obvious, but have you delved into the reasons for that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

That was not an answer.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

What is your timescale for that project?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

Is it a concern that we have such wide variation between councils? The figures are quite stark. In 2023, the proportion of pupils receiving ASL ranged from 20 per cent to 49 per cent between councils. That is quite a big gap, is it not? Stella, you mentioned that you are doing a project on data. Is that the kind of thing you are looking into? We really need to know why that is so that we can target the resources.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

Does there need to be greater consistency between councils on how they measure that?

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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

Finally, I want to ask about the ASL project board. Laura, I think that you are the co-chair of that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

I am delighted to hear that, Mr Rennick. Whoever is on this committee in the next session of Parliament will be able to see how you have done. I will finish there, convener.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

You have completed 53 of the 76 recommendations, so you still have a way to go.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 7 May 2025

Graham Simpson

Absolutely. There is a range of needs—as you said, Mr Rennick, a need might be short term because of bereavement, for example, which is one of the categories, or it might be longer term because the pupil has autism or something like that. In high school or even in primary school, youngsters might struggle in a particular subject but be brilliant at something else, so things can be very complex.