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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Graham Simpson

Do you mean that it is a choice not to follow the client’s journey?

Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Graham Simpson

Do we know why that is? Your report seems to suggest that the Scottish Government does not know the drivers of that.

Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Graham Simpson

It really comes down to what the benefit is for, what it is meant to achieve and whether it actually does that. Is the Scottish Government perhaps not doing well enough when it comes to measuring outcomes for individuals?

Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Graham Simpson

Yes.

Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay, that is interesting.

Erin, you mentioned the difference between the take-up rate in England and Wales and that in Scotland. In England and Wales, 5.3 per cent of the working-age population get PIP, and 8 per cent of the Scottish working-age population get ADP. You also said that 8 per cent got PIP in Scotland. Is that correct? Have I picked you up right?

Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Graham Simpson

I was struck by exhibit 11, which is about

“Scottish census results indicating additional demands on ADP.”

It goes through a number of things, such as long-term illness, disease or condition, mental health conditions, physical disability and so on. Between 2011 and 2022, health has got worse in Scotland on all those indicators. How does that compare to the data in England and Wales? Is it the same picture there?

Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Graham Simpson

I suppose that it goes back to my first question. Some of the figures are actually quite stark: in 2011, 4.4 per cent of the population had a mental condition, and it was up to 11.3 per cent in 2022; the figures for long-term illness, disease or condition have gone up from 18.7 per cent to 21.4 per cent; and there is even an increase in the percentage of the population with physical disabilities.

If that trend continues, the demands for ADP will increase. If, for some reason, things are managed differently—and improved—in England and Wales, the gap will widen, will it not? Ultimately, it comes down to whether there are other ways to reduce demand that involve making the population healthier.

Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Graham Simpson

I have one more question, which is about the redetermination rates for ADP. The rates are higher than they are for PIP, but appeal success rates are lower. What does that tell us about whether ADP decisions are delivering accurate decisions the first time? Does more specific analysis need to be done?

Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Graham Simpson

I want to pick up on that interesting line of questioning. If there were changes to PIP that, let us say, made it harder to get PIP, would that increase the budget gap that you describe in your report?

Public Audit Committee

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Graham Simpson

Therefore, essentially, UK Government decisions would impact on this gap.