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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Graham Simpson

I shall move on. Miriam, the convener always asks the same question at the start of such meetings, so you should have known that he was going to ask at the start of this meeting whether you accept the recommendations. Your answer appeared to be, “We have not considered them yet. We will get around to it”. However, the report was published in September, you knew that you were coming here and I would have thought that you would have had an answer to that very simple question. Why did you not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay—you recognise them.

I am going to ask you about one of the key messages in the report that leads to a recommendation. Then I am going to put the recommendation to you to see whether you agree with it. It is about the funding gap, which we have already mentioned. The report highlights the funding gap, with spending exceeding what we get in block grant by £141 million in 2023-24—Mr Stevens confirmed that. It is forecast to reach £770 million by 2029-30. Implementation costs have so far exceeded initial estimates. Despite that, the Government has not set out a clear strategy to manage the gap or ensure long-term sustainability. How are you going to manage that gap? You said earlier—repeatedly—that ADP is fully funded.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

They have to know what it is that they are meant to be doing. Is the issue that the bodies do not actually know what they are meant to be doing to deliver on the commitment?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Thank you. It is back to you, convener.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

That is a very topical subject.

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

You also say:

“The number of people receiving Adult Disability Payment is forecast to grow from 379,000 in 2024-25 to 703,000 in 2030-31.”

I had to pinch myself when I read that. According to the Scottish Fiscal Commission, that would lead to the costs rising from £3.1 billion to £5.4 billion. Those are huge sums. I presume that that figure would increase further if your recommendations were followed. All this is becoming rather unsustainable, is it not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Auditor General, when I was reading your report and reading up on the Promise, it was not quite clear in my mind what the Promise is. Are you clear on what it means?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

It is directed at Andrew Burns. You said earlier that 15 children’s services planning partnerships have the Promise as a priority, which leaves a number that do not. Do you have a list of those that do not that you can provide to us, perhaps in writing? Do you know why they do not have the issue as a priority?

Public Audit Committee [Draft}

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 5 November 2025

Graham Simpson

Do you know which 15 have it as a priority?