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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Graham Simpson

Legally, the Scottish Government has to produce a balanced budget. We know that. However, when you are forecasting figures such as a gap of £2.6 billion in 2029-30, that is unsustainable and we cannot carry on like that. What will happen if we continue down that road with those massive and growing gaps?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Graham Simpson

I will come on to workforce reform, on which you have a number of paragraphs in the report. In paragraph 56, you say the PSRS, which I am guessing is the public sector reform strategy,

“sets out how the Scottish Government aims to increase the pace and scale of reform. The public sector in Scotland is a larger proportion of the employed population than in the rest of the UK and therefore presents additional financial challenges.”

My question is about the size of the public sector as a proportion of the employed population. Does that figure need to come down?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Graham Simpson

When we think about public service reform—and you are always talking about public service reform—and when we look at the number of devolved public bodies, do you see an opportunity for making savings? There are a lot of bodies. Some functions could be merged, as could some bodies, and some bodies that are maybe not so necessary could be got rid of. Have you done any analysis on that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Graham Simpson

To end, I will ask you about pay policy. Before I do, however, I will stick to this issue. If 22 per cent of the workforce is employed in the public sector, is there a Government target for getting that down? That is a policy decision. Is there a policy?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2024/25 audit of the Scottish Government Consolidated Accounts”

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Graham Simpson

The upshot is that if you ignore your own pay policy and give awards that are outwith that policy, something else has to give.

Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Graham Simpson

So what we have now is okay, but the previous version was not.

Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Graham Simpson

I am sorry, but how on earth can a report from the Auditor General derail progress towards keeping the Promise? That is just not possible.

Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Graham Simpson

Therefore, your view, as expressed today, is that the danger is that, if we start reviewing things, people almost down tools on doing other work. I found that comment extraordinary, as were the comments in this letter.

Why is Ms Duncan not here today? She was given the chance.

Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Graham Simpson

Why has it taken so long to get the framework in place? All that we are getting next week is an update. When will we have it?

Public Audit Committee

“Improving care experience: Delivering The Promise”

Meeting date: 10 December 2025

Graham Simpson

There is an update due next week, not a final version of the framework.