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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

Carole Grant, you mentioned that you are aware of other Government organisations that do international work. Can you give us any examples?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

Are you satisfied that that kind of spending has now stopped?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

Earlier, you mentioned spending on a recruitment agency. I do not know if you are aware, but WICS recently issued a tender to seek a recruitment agency to find a new chief executive. If you include VAT, the value of that is around £45,000. That seems to be a large amount of money to find a new chief executive. Are you aware of that? If so, do you think that that is an appropriate figure? Indeed, should they be doing that in-house?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. Do you know why the limit was removed?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

Okay. Have you had any explanation as to why the limit was removed?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

Is WICS continuing to use business-class flights? I know that the hydro nation strategy has been paused, but have you come across any business-class flights being used?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

I have one further question. After all our work and the evidence sessions that we have had with you and with WICS, I have been left with the nagging question whether we need such a regulator for Scottish Water, or a regulator in its current form, and whether it represents value for money. Is that something that you have considered?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

Presumably, an organisation such as Scottish Enterprise would operate to a fairly strict set of rules around expenditure and entertaining.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

I do not want to labour the point too much, but do we know the breakdown of costs for that travel and accommodation?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of the Water Industry Commission for Scotland”

Meeting date: 9 January 2025

Graham Simpson

I was looking at the annual audit report on WICS for 2023-24. I do not know whether you have it in front of you, but page 33 says:

“Our targeted regularity testing identified 18 additional items of non-compliant expenditure, totalling £23,764, between April and December 2023.”

You mentioned that already. The report goes on to list some of those 18 additional items. I will not list them all, but I will mention a few. There were:

“Travel and accommodation costs of £1,441 for the KC”

—the King’s counsel, who was on a retainer—

“travelling to Edinburgh for a meeting with the former Chief Executive which were paid directly by the Commission rather than being invoiced”.

I will take that item alone. How did they manage to rack up a bill of £1,400 for travel and accommodation?