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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It would be very difficult to set out in the bill a list of offences that would lead to the removal of a member, which is why I have gone for an actual term. The background to that is the case of Bill Walker, a former MSP and the only MSP whom I will name during this meeting. It was a high-profile case. He was jailed for wife beating—for exactly 12 months but not more than that, so he could not be removed. There you had somebody who was jailed for extremely serious offences but could not be removed. Although he ultimately stood down, it seemed to me to be an absurd situation, so I thought that we should perhaps look at the matter again and reduce the specified period.

I accept that different people might have different views on whether I got that right, but that is the background to that provision. I thought that it was certainly wrong that somebody who was jailed for extremely serious offences could just stay in jail for 12 months and then return to his job.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Convener, you have raised one of the issues with which I have wrestled. I have come down on one side of the argument, but I can see the other side of the argument. We might wish to explore the issue at stage 2 or in discussions with the minister.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

It is as near as possible to six months, taking into account recess periods and so on.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Well, in the case of non-attendance, we are not talking about a recall process.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

You mean who would monitor people’s attendance?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I know that the equivalent committee at Westminster has lay members. As I said, it is something that should perhaps be considered.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

You have to be physically here, and that is stated in the bill.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I think that the subjective bit that you might be referring to is the non-attendance part and the reasonable excuses for not coming—Rona Mackay has been exploring those questions. I was very clear when I was considering that provision that I would not target people who just do not turn up. Many people in any workplace—and I consider this a workplace—might not go to work for very good reasons. However, there will be a whole host of reasons and I do not think that we can list them in the bill. Life is complicated and we must accept that. People have different things going on in their lives at different times, and I think that, if you are unable to come to work physically for any reason, there ought to be a mechanism for explaining that privately. There will be a subjective test there—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

I apologise for the phraseology, but I think that the bill is quite clear about what I am trying to achieve. It is not about dealing with people who are “not performing properly”, because that is subjective.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 19 June 2025

Graham Simpson

Actually, the reason that I did not say that you have to speak goes back to the whips question, because our ability to make speeches is quite often at their mercy.