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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Additional Support for Learning

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Graham Simpson

I note that you are not here to answer for the project board. It can do that itself and explain why it is moving at a certain speed or lack of speed, but it is not for you to explain that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

Aoife—it would be good to hear from you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

I will turn to Awaab’s law. Sean Clerkin has made a couple of lengthy contributions on the matter already. However, I think that it is worth setting out the background. Awaab Ishak from Rochdale, age 2, died in December 2020 after falling ill because he lived in a damp and mouldy home. That is the background to Awaab’s law, which is being introduced in England. It will come into force in October.

Currently, as drafted, the law will apply only to social landlords, but the current United Kingdom Government has said that it wants to extend it to the private rented sector. The Scottish Government, as you have heard already, has said today that it wishes to introduce an amendment or amendments—I do not know whether there will be one or several—to the Housing (Scotland) Bill, which would tackle the problem. I guess that my question is this: when the Government does that, should it be limited to social landlords or should it apply to all landlords?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

Peter has probably answered what I was going to ask, which was whether there is a problem with how building design and construction is regulated and managed, not just in Scotland but across the UK. I think that you have answered that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

Gloria, you spoke at some length about solar thermal. I think that you are referring to solar panels on the roof. Is that correct?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

I am pleased to be here, convener. I was on the equivalent committee in the previous session, and I am looking forward to today’s meeting. I have no interests to declare.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

That is a really good point. I will go away and read that report, now that you have mentioned it. I have made a note of it.

I will play devil’s advocate. The written submission from the Scottish Federation of Housing Associations said that an Awaab’s law for Scotland might be “counterproductive”. The organisation is concerned that it

“could result in landlords and contractors striving to meet targets at the expense of proper diagnosis of the issue and identification of root cause.”

I guess that the SFHA is saying that we could have quick fixes, such as slapping on a coat of paint without finding the cause of the problem. The following panel of witnesses are architects, who will know the details on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

My final question follows up on that. I will bring in Sean Clerkin on this. The law in England says that social landlords must fix damp and mould within a certain period. When we have that law in Scotland, what should the period be?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

This is so interesting. By the way, we need to be careful when talking about tenements that we do not automatically just think of old buildings. They are not. Any flatted development is legally a tenement, and we could be talking about very modern buildings.

I have thought for a while that it would be good if we had something for the private householder so that they had somewhere to go in order to get somebody into their house and report on how it works. I do not know who that would be. Let us say that someone has problems with mould or that there might be hidden mould. Who would you get in to assess your house and how it is functioning?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Building Safety and Maintenance

Meeting date: 18 March 2025

Graham Simpson

Thank you very much.