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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Graham Simpson

Leadership comes from the chief exec and from the board. If the board got itself into the position where we had to escalate to stage 4, because of a whole series of problems—which I will come on to—we surely have to say that the chief exec was not doing their job and the board were not doing their job properly. Surely it is fair to say that.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Graham Simpson

Yes, it is plain to see.

I want to ask you about something that is very concerning, which is covered on page 10 of the report, in the timeline. It says:

“HIS’s inspectors identified instances of unsafe practice around medicines governance which could result in serious harm to patients.”

Do you have any more details of what that means or of what lay behind that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Graham Simpson

Presumably those unsafe practices have now ended—whatever they were.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Graham Simpson

What would happen if the Government turned round and said, “No, you’re not getting the support”?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Graham Simpson

HIS went in and found quite serious problems there. It strikes me, however, that if there were such serious problems, why did no one know about them? Why did it take a spot check to discover them?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Graham Simpson

How do we measure whether it has actually made progress? We will not just take the board’s word for it, will we?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Graham Simpson

Your report mentions that NHS Forth Valley is about to embark on a culture change and compassionate leadership programme, which is apparently used elsewhere. I have no idea what that means. Can you explain what it is?

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Graham Simpson

I guess that we will have to ask the board about that, because I do not know what is wrong with the culture and what needs to change.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Graham Simpson

That is interesting. It reminds me of the work that the committee has been doing on colleges. As we have heard, a number of colleges are in a similar position and may have to be bailed out, which sounds like it could be the case here.

Public Audit Committee

Section 22 Report: “The 2022/23 audit of NHS Forth Valley”

Meeting date: 25 January 2024

Graham Simpson

I will leave it until later, convener; the question that occurred to me may be covered by other members.