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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 February 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Graham Simpson

Auditor General, I have been reflecting on everything that has been said so far, and what strikes me is that we have very ambitious fuel poverty targets, as you have said. I wonder whether there is a bit of contradiction between having those targets, which Parliament set, and wanting to decarbonise. Right now, if you were to think of getting rid of your gas boiler, there is a very good chance that you could end up with having to install a very expensive heating system, and something that costs far more to run. Is there a risk that people would be plunged into fuel poverty if they were to make the move now?

Public Audit Committee

“Decarbonising heat in homes”

Meeting date: 29 February 2024

Graham Simpson

I will make a final observation. If we are talking only about housing, I think that we can deal with new housing relatively easily, and the Government is looking at improving the standards of such housing. I was at an event last night about passive housing. Serious consideration is being given to introducing new building standards so that new homes meet those very high energy efficiency standards, and that could deal with the fuel poverty issue almost overnight, which would be very positive. However, given that the challenge is the existing housing, do you agree that that is probably where the money has to go?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Graham Simpson

That is useful. Mr Cunningham, you said earlier that you were working on producing some figures over the next three to four weeks. Is that right?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Graham Simpson

As things stand, would you be competitive price-wise and time-wise with other yards around the world when pitching for small ferries?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Graham Simpson

Will that plan be put to the Government?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Graham Simpson

You will have your figures ready in four weeks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Graham Simpson

I do not understand it, either.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay—we got there.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Graham Simpson

That is fine. There is one more thing that I want to ask. Yesterday, Màiri McAllan wrote to the conveners of thfis committee and the Public Audit Committee. In that letter, she says:

“The former Cabinet Secretary, Neil Gray, had impressed upon the CEO”—

that is you, Mr Tydeman—

“that further delays and cost increases would be inexcusable”.

However, there have been further delays and cost increases. Has the Government at any point said, “You have to stop spending”?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 27 February 2024

Graham Simpson

Thank you for all the responses to questions so far; it has been really interesting. I want to follow up on the line of discussion about extra investment because, Mr Tydeman, you have been clear for some time now about the need for extra investment. I will quote what you said when you last came to the committee. You were talking about the need for the previous cabinet secretary, Neil Gray, to come back to you “as soon as possible”. You went on to say:

“The productivity is low in the yard, as we know ... we know that we are not as competitive as other yards that have modern plating lines and modern facilities ... we will not get to decent productivity until 2026”—

presumably, that would have been the case if you had got the money that you were asking for—

“which ... makes pricing the small ferries harder. The longer we postpone it, the harder it gets.”—[Official Report, Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee, 24 October 2023; c 28-29.]

Are we not still in that position?