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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 September 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I think that John Mooney wants to come in.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Graham Simpson

I know that Stuart Brown wants to come in, but first I want to explore an issue on which he might have something to say. How many job losses are we looking at in the sector? We have heard about a couple of colleges that are cutting staff, but do you see that happening across the board?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Graham Simpson

That is honest of you, Richmond. It sounds as though you recognise everything that the Auditor General is saying. There is data in one part of the system, and data in another part, but nobody is collecting it. It is probably your job to collect it, is it not?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Graham Simpson

That is good, because hospitals in Lothian deal with that on the ground.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Graham Simpson

We have set up integration joint boards, but sometimes it does not sound as if they very integrated.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Good. I think that you all need to go and see Richmond Davies and get your acts together.

Hannah Axon wanted to come in. I think that you will then want to move on, convener.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Are you getting resistance from anyone?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Graham Simpson

How, though, do you ensure that there is nobody else in the room? We can see you, but the background is blurred, and I have no idea whether there is anyone else with you and, perhaps, passing you notes on what to say. We just do not know, do we? How do you ensure, with a young person, that there is nobody else there?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Graham Simpson

You do not eliminate the risk. However, the risk would be virtually eliminated if a consultation was face to face. Do you accept that?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Graham Simpson

Good—I look forward to you re-looking at it in the Borders.

One problem that we have looked at in previous sessions is that, when you go to a GP, you have to make an appointment and explain your problem to someone who might not be medically qualified. That in itself can be a barrier. Having somewhere where you can just walk in and get help immediately would be a positive development. Good luck to you, Simon, as you look at that system again.

I will move on to data, which was a big area for criticism—I suppose that that is a fair word—in the report. A theme that comes up in a lot of reports from the Auditor General is the lack of data and the lack of quality data. The report states:

“Data is not available to determine how many people have severe and enduring mental health conditions in Scotland.

Information is not available to accurately assess demand for mental health support in primary care in Scotland, but it is likely that demand is high.”

Well, yes. The report goes on to say:

“In 2018, a survey of more than 1,000 GPs across England and Wales estimated that 41 per cent of appointments relate to mental health.”

Do you agree that data collection and, indeed, the quality of data should be improved? If you agree, are any of you tackling that?