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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 23 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

You do not have the details. Well, let me quote what the study says:

“56 per cent (18 councils) were committed to increasing their funding rates. This ranged from 1.35 per cent uplift in Falkirk to 15.48 per cent in the Shetland Islands.”

The NDNA say that the average increase in hourly rates is just 36 pence an hour for children over three. That is putting their members in a pretty perilous position, because in a good number of council areas, they do not know what they will get.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

So 99 per cent get something but 84 per cent take the full amount.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

It is all right; we can work that out. I have one more question on data. The Auditor General said right at the start of his report:

“The Scottish Government does not know how much has been spent in total by councils on phasing in the additional hours between 2018/19 and 2021/22.”

Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Mr Rennick, you said that the take-up of the 1,140 hours of provision has been high. How many children are getting 1,140 hours?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

The number may have been stable up until now, but clearly there is a warning that it may not be stable in the future and that nurseries could close.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Absolutely. It is a choice for parents. What is the number of families who are taking up the 1,140 hours?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Mr Rennick said he had two figures. Eleanor, are you able to give us the figures for what was spent before and what is spent now?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Should that not have been put in place before you rolled out the policy? That is the point, isn’t it?

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Yes, convener, it is the same point really. Essentially, you are saying that we had a policy under which two-year-olds could access 1,140 hours but we had no way of letting their parents know about it.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Graham Simpson

Let me quote Jonathan Broadbery, who is the NDNA’s director of policy and communications:

“Our members are telling us they have serious concerns about the sustainability and their ability to continue delivering funded early learning and childcare places. Our research into funding rates that providers are receiving from their local authority is not encouraging. Only three have increased their funding rates sufficiently to allow nurseries to be able to pay their delivery costs and we need to see the differential funding rates between council and partner providers addressed.”

If that is not addressed, we could see nurseries closing, could we not?