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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Graham Simpson

I listened with interest, as I always do, to Pam Duncan-Glancy. She has raised very important issues. Committee members can imagine that, if there is a disabled person in a block of flats, unless they are on the ground floor, they could struggle to get out of a burning building when the lifts are out of action. How do they get out? You just dread to think about it. It would be an awful situation. Pam Duncan-Glancy raises a really important issue.

The minister makes a fair point about sensitive personal data, but I would have thought that, if a system was in place whereby disabled people could declare themselves disabled, some kind of register or list could be kept, so that you would at least know that there was a disabled person in flat 1, 2, 3, 4 or wherever it was, and plans could be put in place in the awful event of a fire breaking out. I think that that is what Pam Duncan-Glancy is getting at.

I am disappointed that the minister has offered only to write to me. I enjoy reading his letters, but I am looking for something a bit stronger than just writing. I am happy to receive his correspondence, but it sounds as though we are probably never going to agree on the issue, so although I look forward to his letter, I will press amendment 17, on the basis that he has not offered to work with me for stage 3. I might as well give the committee a vote.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Graham Simpson

Amendment 7, which is the only one in the group, deals with section 10, which allows for appeals to a sheriff against arranged remediation work. The view of property managers who have spoken to me is that, as a sheriff is a layman in technical terms, even when they act on a professional witness’s advice, they are unqualified to interpret and singularly determine or make an order on what are often vastly complicated as-built technical challenges. As I agree with that assessment, my amendment says that sheriffs should nominate a panel of experts and take their views into account when dealing with such appeals. I invite the committee to support what is, I say to the minister, another commonsense amendment.

I move amendment 7.

11:45  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Graham Simpson

I always think that it is useful for people to listen to the arguments that are presented at stage 2 and be prepared to change their minds, even if they have a voting intention in front of them—and even if they moved an amendment. I have listened to the minister’s arguments, and he has persuaded me, so I will not press amendment 7.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Graham Simpson (Central Scotland) (Con)

Will you take an intervention on that point?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Graham Simpson

Minister, Mr Griffin’s amendment 46 simply asks for owners and occupiers to be given the fullest possible information about what the property is actually built of. Is that not reasonable? You are surely not arguing that that is unreasonable.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Cladding Remediation) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 23 April 2024

Graham Simpson

That is what we need more of, minister.

Amendment 7, by agreement, withdrawn.

Section 10 agreed to.

Section 11—Authority for carrying out assessment or work

Amendments 27 to 29 moved—[Paul McLennan]—and agreed to.

Section 11, as amended, agreed to.

Section 12—Warrant authorising use of force to effect entry

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Graham Simpson

Why are the audits taking longer than expected?

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Graham Simpson

Okay, fine. You say that you will do some work on looking at primary care—the care that is provided by general practitioners. What kind of things will you be looking at in that area?

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Graham Simpson

I think that you are right to look at capacity, but as part of that work could I also urge you to look at how easy or difficult it is for patients to see a GP? We have raised that issue before in committee. There is a bit of a mixed picture and different practices will have different policies on actually booking appointments—it can come down to something as basic as that.

Public Audit Committee

Auditor General for Scotland (Work Programme)

Meeting date: 18 April 2024

Graham Simpson

So the focus of your work is simply whether people are using cars less.