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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 May 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

What do you mean by structural options?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

You could not use it for the employment matters that we have been discussing.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

Thanks, convener. I feel that I have hogged things rather. Other members will want to come in.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

I did not think that you would tell me, but I had to ask. I want to pursue the point, however, because it is a really serious issue. If those four colleges do not get the extra money that they need, are they at risk of closing?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

Thanks very much, convener. I will ask about that report but, initially, I have a question for Karen Watt to help me to understand the Funding Council’s role in respect of individual colleges. How involved are you at that level? Do you, for example, attend board meetings?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

That is good. Some good has come of that session, so I am glad that you watched it.

The report that you referred to, which has just come out, made for an interesting read. It is gloomy reading, to be frank. In it, you say:

“The financial position of”

Scotland’s

“colleges is deteriorating.”

You have said that already. You also say that their position is—this is an interesting phrase—“extremely fluid”. What did you mean by that?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

I looked at the table that you refer to, which seems to list every college in Scotland. It demonstrates that, sometimes, colleges can make forecasts that do not quite turn out to be accurate at the end of the day. The committee members can look at the report for themselves, but I have had the benefit of seeing it. It is gloomy. On the financial health of the sector, it says:

“Colleges ... operate in an extremely tight fiscal environment”.

It also says:

“The sector is forecasting an … operating deficit”

and that

“The financial position of colleges is deteriorating.”

In the next section, the report goes on to outline the risks to colleges’ financial health. Staff costs are one of those, and that has come out in evidence as a big risk. There is a whole list of risks, so I will not go through them, but the forecast is pretty dire, is it not?

Maybe that is a question for Mr Rennick rather than Karen Watt.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

One section of the report, which we have referred to already, is on staffing. The report says that there is an expected reduction of around 2,300 full-time equivalent staff in the college sector, which is one in five staff. How will colleges be able to continue with that reduced level of staffing?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Graham Simpson

You are saying that four colleges have significant issues. I do not want to put words in your mouth but, to summarise, the Government might have to bail them out through the SFC.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Adult mental health”

Meeting date: 14 December 2023

Graham Simpson

I will follow up on what Sharon Dowey asked about. She covered the NHS England mental health dashboard, which I have had a look at. I am sorry if you feel that it is too bureaucratic, Dr Cook. You can come back in on that, but to me, it provides very useful information. It follows progress, which is what this is all about. That links into what Mr Coffey asked about. It is about following the money and seeing what progress has been made. That is what the dashboard is all about. It used to be called the mental health five-year forward view dashboard, which is a bit of a mouthful. The website, which anyone can look at, says that it

“brings together key data from across mental health services to measure the performance of the NHS”.

Should we not be doing that here?