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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I will focus on Clare Adamson’s amendment 211. I listened very carefully to the arguments. I was not sure about the amendment, particularly when listening to the minister; however, when Clare Adamson spoke, she persuaded me. She made a very powerful argument as to why the amendment should go forward. She said that she would not move the amendment, but I urge her to do so, because I would like to know what the committee’s view of it would be. If members had listened to Clare Adamson, they would have to have been persuaded by what she said.

I say to Ben Macpherson that, if he feels confident that the minister’s assurance about stage 3 is strong enough, that is fine. He, too, made a strong argument, and could move his amendments 122 and 123. However, if he is assured by what the minister said, he should not do so.

I strongly urge Clare Adamson to move amendment 211.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

My question follows on from that. Do you see this role being taken on by an existing or brand new body?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I will.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I am going to refer to the amendment in my later comments, but I want Bob Doris to clear something up for me, if he can. What does he mean by the global south? I cannot find any precise definition of that. It could be a very long list of countries.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

It is entirely up to the committee, but if we are to take the pragmatic approach suggested by Sarah Boyack—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I am curious. I know that Mark Ruskell is saying that he would like to leave that to Government, but it is his amendment. It refers to

“giving priority to materials which are most harmful or polluting”.

How would we define that? How would we establish what is most harmful or polluting?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

Does Mark Ruskell accept that there is already a timescale in the bill? It is two years. I am just suggesting that it should be one year or six months—preferably one year, as I said earlier.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

If Mr Doris is prepared to clear up the point, I will give way again.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

I am always happy to have conversations with Ms Lennon—she knows that. I was going to say that if we are to take the pragmatic approach suggested by Ms Boyack—I am a pragmatist—the committee would go for one year rather than six months. If I had a preference, it would be for a year, but others might have a different view.

Maurice Golden invites us to agree that the circular economy strategy should be co-designed with the public sector, private sector and third sector bodies. I was a little surprised that Mr Golden used that awful phrase “co-design”, which is so favoured by those who want to sound well-meaning but do not really mean it. He is not in that camp at all, being a circular economy titan. Phraseology aside, he is right to say that the production of any such strategy should not be left to ministers and civil servants alone.

I turn to my good friend Bob Doris, whose amendment 187, which was absolutely fascinating, also suggests people who should be consulted. I am not really sure what the amendment means by “relevant policy makers” or “human right defenders”, which could mean almost anyone, but its call for

“environmental experts from the Global South”

to be included has me most foxed. Mr Doris has not really cleared that up, because he does not—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Circular Economy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 May 2024

Graham Simpson

Will the member take an intervention?