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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

Thanks very much to both of you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

Good morning. I will start with you, Jo. The committee often hears extremely different points of view depending on who is sitting in your chairs, particularly about local government finances. The Improvement Service benchmarking framework seems to present a more positive picture of local government finances, certainly in terms of debt management and healthy reserves, but on the other hand we hear from our colleagues in the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities about how serious the position is. Why is there such a divergence in opinion when in essence we are talking about the same thing—local government finance?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

Would you see yourselves recommending some kind of consistent, standardised way of describing the issue? Would you ask the Government to formalise it so that we do not continue to get a varying picture, depending on which council we talk to? Would that be a useful tool?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

My other question is about capital funding. Do councils have any mechanisms open to them for capital funding, other than capital grants, borrowing, and so forth? Are there any other measures that they may be able to deploy locally so that they can deliver?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

I look forward to the update that will be published in January, as it will clear up all those issues for us. Many thanks for your answers.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

We have mentioned the reserves position before at the committee, and we have probably asked you about this, but we cannot seem to agree what the indicators are. We have categories such as contingency funds, earmarked, unearmarked, committed and not committed. There is a myriad of terms that, frankly, we struggle to understand, so we do not know where the various bits of money that local authorities have tucked away are and what they will be used for. I have probably asked you this before, Jo, but do you think that we will get a clearer picture and an agreed set of criteria for that stuff?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

Do you know whether many councils are deploying that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

We can perhaps follow up on that if we get an opportunity later.

I come back to the audit function. You mentioned a few times that the Audit Commission in England was disbanded in 2015. How much may that decision have led to the problems that the English councils in particular have faced? We know that audit has not disappeared—the audit function is prevalent at every level of local government. Why, therefore, when the Audit Commission disappeared in 2015, did that lead to the circumstances that we have discussed unfolding in England? Alternatively, would you say that it had nothing to do with that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

That was a really thorough explanation, Abdool. While you were giving it, I was wondering why the internal audit function in Woking, which was mentioned in a previous example, did not wake up earlier to the prospect that it was about to go £2 billion into the red. What was happening there?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 24 September 2024

Willie Coffey

I do not want to pick on poor old Woking, but were that council’s financial stability indicators not ringing alarm bells during the process of racking up a £2 billion pound deficit? Did it have any indicators that might have alerted it to that?