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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

I will pick up on a couple of points. We invited Dr Cass to give evidence, but she declined and referred us to her interim report. It is worth noting that Dr Cass’s remit specifically relates to NHS England. Obviously, anyone can look at her report.

Rachael Hamilton and Naomi Cunningham made a point about taking specialist evidence on children, and Naomi Cunningham talked about lawyers. I suggest to anyone who is watching that they look at our evidence session with the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland. Obviously, he is not a lawyer, but he had access to lawyers in answering the committee’s questions.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

That is why I am saying that anyone who wants to see the evidence that was given can go to the Scottish Parliament website, and they can obviously read the Official Report, too.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

I have to be mindful of time. I am sorry, but Pam Duncan-Glancy wanted to hear from Sharon Cowan now.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Naomi Cunningham wants to come back in. Please be very brief, as I need to bring in two more members, who might want to cover the area that you want to raise—please do not widen the discussion too much.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Okay, and Pam Duncan-Glancy wants to make a brief point, as does Rachael Hamilton.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you very much, David. We will start with Maggie Chapman.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you—you are reading my mind. We need to be conscious of time, because members want to cover a good number of areas. However, we covered more than we expected there, so thank you for that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Folk were pretty brief; thank you for that.

We move to questions from Emma Roddick.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

I do not think that there are any more questions for David Parker. Thank you very much; this session has been really helpful.

12:18 Meeting continued in private until 12:42.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Joe FitzPatrick

Thank you.

Before we start, I will make a short statement on some relevant developments in order to update members and people who follow our work. Today, we will hear from two expert panels as part of our stage 1 evidence on the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill. The committee had hoped to hear evidence from Professor Alice Sullivan in today’s first panel. Although she is not able to join us today, I am pleased that she has accepted our invitation and should be with us on Tuesday 21 June.

We had also hoped to hear from Dr Hilary Cass in today’s second panel, but she has declined the committee’s invitation. She said that she has published her interim report and referred us to that and other published statements that she has made.

The committee had also invited a number of respected associations representing medical professionals to give evidence, but several have declined the committee’s invitation to attend in person today. Some have agreed to give written evidence, which the committee will be able to consider as part of our stage 1 inquiry.

Last week, the committee heard from witnesses representing faith groups and secular society. Ahead of that session, as committee members are aware, the committee had approached a range of faith groups but, for a variety of reasons, some declined our invitation to attend last week. I hope that that provides clarity for people who are following the committee’s work.

As has been agreed by the committee, the clerks are working with a variety of parents groups to organise an informal evidence session in order that we can hear from parents whose children have transgender identity. The clerks are also trying to arrange for the committee to hear informally from people who have transitioned but who have thereafter chosen to reverse that process. The clerks will publish details on those sessions in due course.

I hope that that information helps to clarify some of the queries about the committee’s agreed approach to oral evidence sessions.

Under our first agenda item, we will continue to take evidence on the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill. I welcome our first panel: Professor Sharon Cowan is professor of feminist and queer legal studies in the University of Edinburgh’s school of law; Naomi Cunningham is a barrister at Outer Temple Chambers, and chair of Sex Matters; and Karon Monaghan QC is a barrister at Matrix Chambers. I refer members to papers 1 and 2.

I invite each witness to make a short opening statement.