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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Joe FitzPatrick
I move on to the Police Scotland estate. You say in the report that the current estate is “unsustainable” and that
“around £500 million will be required to deliver the masterplan, with a £200 million funding gap still to be addressed.”
That is quite significant. What is being done to manage that and prioritise what needs to be done quickly over what can be done later?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Joe FitzPatrick
Do you have confidence that the SPA is getting to grips with that now?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Joe FitzPatrick
We will take that as a positive.
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 11 February 2026
Joe FitzPatrick
First, I put on the record an interest that I have: a close family member works in forensics, so I will steer clear of any questions that directly relate to that.
The first area on which I will focus is equalities. The report reminds us that, in 2023, the then chief constable—quite dramatically, as I recall—acknowledged that Police Scotland was “institutionally discriminatory and racist.” The current chief constable set out, in her 2030 vision, the commitment for Police Scotland to become
“an anti-racist and anti-discriminatory organisation”.
There are a number of on-going pieces of work, including the policing together programme, and there is a strategy in place. In spite of that, however, your report notes that Police Scotland’s internal audit in 2024 found that policing still
“does not have effective arrangements in equality and human rights impact assessments.”
It would be good to hear what your audit found with regard to what those failings are and why policing is not managing to take that forward in a way that will make effective arrangements for equality impact assessments. What is missing, and how is policing progressing with that?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Joe FitzPatrick
I am slightly concerned about the line of questioning. Government ministers produce budgets, but the Parliament made a decision way back, when the idea of Social Security Scotland was first raised, that we wanted a social security system that was based on fairness and values, and that respected people as individuals. At that point, when the legislation was going through the Parliament, the decision was made that Social Security Scotland would be how we ensured that people who required benefits, particularly disability benefit, would be able to get them. Do you think that we are managing to achieve that aspiration and ensure that folk who require the disability benefit are able to get it, and that there might well be a gap in that respect, because, in the rest of the UK, people are not able to get the benefits that they require?
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Joe FitzPatrick
One of the challenges that we face, which I think the Scottish ministers have recognised, is the risk of behavioural change as we change tax levels in Scotland. We need to be mindful of that risk, and the Government has said likewise.
We are keen to understand what work is being done, so that the Government can understand what behavioural change is happening and what the risks are in that regard. Are more tools being developed to finesse the Government’s understanding as the tax policies in Scotland and the rest of the UK diverge?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Joe FitzPatrick
It seems strange that a decision of such significance was able to be made without the approval of the board. Can the executive team still operate without the approval of the board at that level?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Joe FitzPatrick
That is appreciated. However, from my perspective, and perhaps that of my colleagues, a large number of board members were not exercising their roles in the way that we would have hoped. Has there been additional training? Since you have come in and appointed two new members, have you made sure that the rest of the members of the board understand their responsibilities?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Joe FitzPatrick
That is appreciated. It is helpful, and it will give more confidence to the organisation going forward and help it to be successful, which is what we all want. Thanks very much.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 4 February 2026
Joe FitzPatrick
I want to go back to some of Jamie Greene’s questions about the fiscal framework and the difference between the tax take and its financial benefit to Scotland. I think that Shona Riach mentioned the structural differences, one of which is the financial sector. Across the world, perhaps, but certainly in Europe, it is not unusual for financial jobs to coalesce around the capital city, because that is where the institutions are. I just want to probe that a little deeper. If we were to take London and its very overheated economy out of the fiscal framework calculations, what impact would that have?
It also seems to me that, when it comes to some of the other structural challenges that we have, one in-built challenge is that jobs in London have a London weighting, which means that someone doing exactly the same job in the civil service in London gets paid more. How can we ever overcome that, given that it is built in?