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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Joe FitzPatrick

No other member has indicated that they wish to ask a question, so that brings us to the end of the session. I thank the minister and her officials for attending.

11:29 Meeting continued in private until 11:54.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Joe FitzPatrick

As there are no further questions or comments, we will move to item 3, which is the formal business relating to the regulations.

I invite the minister to move motion S6M-07224.

Motion moved,

That the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee recommends that the First-tier Tribunal for Scotland (Transfer of Functions of the Council Tax Reduction Review Panel) Regulations 2023 [draft] be approved.—[Elena Whitham]

Motion agreed to.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Joe FitzPatrick

Under item 4, we will consider two negative SSIs. I refer members to paper 2.

As no members have any comments on the instruments, there will be no reporting on them.

I will suspend the meeting briefly to allow the Minister for Equalities and Older People and her officials to take their places at the table for item 5.

10:13 Meeting suspended.  

10:15 On resuming—  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Joe FitzPatrick

We have concluded the budget part of our meeting, but there are one or two issues that you have covered that we want to follow up on.

In answer to Fulton MacGregor, you mentioned the conversion practices working group. Obviously, the committee takes a close interest in that area. When we produced our report on the matter, we were clear that we need the work to move forward at pace. It would be good to get an update on the timings, just to confirm that we are still expecting a bill on the issue by the end of this year.

The committee was also clear that the legislation in Scotland needs to be inclusive of all—in particular, trans inclusive—and we have seen a shift in the United Kingdom Government towards that position. It would be good to hear your comment on that.

We were also clear that there should be no loopholes and that it is not possible to consent to what is, in effect, torture. It looks as though there is still a disparity between the Scottish position and the UK Government’s position in that regard. Are there any discussions with the UK Government on that? Might the UK Government be moving in that area as well, to be more aligned with the views that the committee and the Scottish Parliament have expressed?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Joe FitzPatrick

I am looking around to see whether any members are keen to come in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Joe FitzPatrick

Welcome to the third meeting in 2023, in session 6, of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. We have received no apologies this morning.

Under agenda item 1, we must decide whether to take in private item 6, which is consideration of today’s budget evidence. Do we agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Joe FitzPatrick

Superb. Thanks very much, including for that slightly wider introduction. We might have one or two questions on some of the wider matters. First, however, we want to focus on the budget.

One of the themes that came up in our early pre-budget meetings with stakeholders, and in the meeting yesterday, was the accessibility of the budget—for instance, EasyRead versions. Last week, in particular, we heard just how welcome the document “Your Scotland, Your Finances: 2022-23 Scottish Budget” was. However, there was a little concern that that document, which made the budget much more understandable and accessible to more people, was not available at the same time as the budget was launched. Will you comment on that? Maybe Rob Priestley will give us a flavour of the work that is going on to make sure that, at all times when such budget decisions are being made, accessibility is at the fore.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Joe FitzPatrick

That concludes consideration of the affirmative Scottish statutory instrument.

Do members agree to the clerks producing a short factual report on our deliberations on the affirmative instrument that we have considered today?

Members indicated agreement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Joe FitzPatrick

I thank the minister and her officials for attending.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Joe FitzPatrick

Item 5 on our agenda is budget scrutiny 2023-24. I refer members to paper 3. I welcome Christina McKelvie, the Minister for Equalities and Older People. The minister is accompanied by Rob Priestley, head of the mainstreaming and strategy unit in the Scottish Government directorate for equality, inclusion and human rights, and Ben Walsh, head of budget improvement at the Scottish exchequer. I invite the minister to make an opening statement, before we move to questions.